Oh my! Maybe they can savage then!! Thats a classic situation of the coward becoming the bully I'd say! Get in first before the bigger dogs eat him!! I shouldn't laugh but it was quite funny, bless him!! I'm thinkin maybe the dog from Gingersnaps post suits my personality!! We'd get on great as we share a similar temperment!! It is the house training that worries me most. Not the mess I can cope with that , just the whole process but I need to read up more. I helped with my parents dogs so I have a bit of an idea. I've had days where I feel so bad but I know my fish need cleaning and I force myself to do it....even though a simple task is a struggle. But as you say something needs you to do something so you have to do it. As I said I've done a bit of dog training with my parents dogs...just the usual stuff. But I will read up more. I would LOVE a sheep dog which you can train to quite a high standard, I would really enjoy that. But obviously that isn't a dog for a flat!! I would never abuse an animal. When I was reading about some of the dogs in local shelters I was crying my eyes out!! Animal abuse stories really upset me. I don't how people can do those things. I will definitely take a look at the site. Thanks guys,