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Saw your post, @TinyBlackDick. I'm sorry if any of my posts have made you feel worse. I stress over my appearance more than a lot of guys because I have nothing else. What pisses me off is that there is loads of stuff written about the negative impact and body shaming caused by magazines and advertisements with females, yet there are all the men's magazines like GQ and Men's Fitness with ripped guys in their underwear or wearing boxing/fighting attire on the covers and nothing is ever said how this makes some guys feel. But then you'll have some guys who say you are being a bitch for letting it bother you. So it's a catch 22. 

Thanks @IrmaJean for deleting my worthless threads. I'm sorry for beating a dead horse to death again. I've said all I know to say, and I think my contributions will always be tainted with poison because I am a miserable person. I regret ever posting to this site. It hasn't helped me and I've probably done nothing but make people feel worse. I think I'm going to take a break for a while. 

@Small the only way humans will ever get along is if they are all transformed into insect men like ants or termites, where individuality is suppressed to a minimum and everyone looks and thinks the same and it is biologically impossible to rebel or kill the ruling queen. 

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17 hours ago, Klingcorn said:

Saw your post, @TinyBlackDick. I'm sorry if any of my posts have made you feel worse.

Your posts don't make me feel worse. You express far more eloquently than I ever could what life has been like for me. 

 

I've had a good week actually. Instead of trying to come across as cool and alpha, I chose to be the weirdo creeper aka nice-guy that I am and I've felt alright all week. Feels good not trying to impress. I'm not alpha and I don't care to be anymore. Perhaps it's just the loser in me talking but women and relationships just don't seem worth it any longer.  

Besides I really cannot stand people these days. Like Vic said, they're just about ready to be offended by anything you say. But they have absolutely no problem offending and shaming you, especially if you're a man.

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On 5/23/2017 at 8:23 PM, Small said:

I've been an MSC member for 3 years, and here is how I sum up a small penis. We, as a people, are seen as sub-human. Now, the sooner we accept that the better. It seems to me, that so many small penis men are exhausting a great deal of mental resources to fight this fact. Accept it, take the L, and live your life within these means.

Conversation, or internal dialogue should be in regards to how to live this way, and the emotions that come with that. It's limiting, it's debilitating, humiliating. However, most people are trying to convince themselves & each other that they are on an equal keel with other men, when they simply are not. Stop lying to yourselves.

A small penis is a variable handicap ranging from severe to minor depending on size, the situation, the potential partner, peer group, the competition, effective compensation, etc.  

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All you can really do is not let yourself care what other people think, but more often than not people care deeply what others think, it's just human

Easy enough for people to say 'your penis doesn't define you' but people are free to choose how they define themselves and a lot of guys with small dicks just choose to define themselves as 'that guy with a small dick'

I don't have a small dick (well, I do, but im obese so I don't? idk) but for the longest time I thought I did and that shit brought me to the edge of suicide and still does regularly, I often think about people who aren't just hiding their dick in fat but are actually small and it breaks my heart imagining what life must be like when you can't accept yourself and nothing can change that

It's easy enough to criticize women for it but truth of the matter is big dicks feel better, sure you have exceptions where a girl is shallow or whatever but in a regular sex life bigger is better, and that's not something women should be hated for thinking it's just how it is, sex is a thing that basically every human alive wants and expecting a girl to settle with mediocre/no sex for the rest of her life is just ridiculous because women are allowed preference just as much as men are

It's just an all around shitty situation and the worst part is there's nobody to blame for it so people end up diverting their anger onto people close to them, or to themselves because where else has it got to go?

 

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6 hours ago, therebetruth said:

All you can really do is not let yourself care what other people think, but more often than not people care deeply what others think, it's just human

Easy enough for people to say 'your penis doesn't define you' but people are free to choose how they define themselves and a lot of guys with small dicks just choose to define themselves as 'that guy with a small dick'

I don't have a small dick (well, I do, but im obese so I don't? idk) but for the longest time I thought I did and that shit brought me to the edge of suicide and still does regularly, I often think about people who aren't just hiding their dick in fat but are actually small and it breaks my heart imagining what life must be like when you can't accept yourself and nothing can change that

It's easy enough to criticize women for it but truth of the matter is big dicks feel better, sure you have exceptions where a girl is shallow or whatever but in a regular sex life bigger is better, and that's not something women should be hated for thinking it's just how it is, sex is a thing that basically every human alive wants and expecting a girl to settle with mediocre/no sex for the rest of her life is just ridiculous because women are allowed preference just as much as men are

It's just an all around shitty situation and the worst part is there's nobody to blame for it so people end up diverting their anger onto people close to them, or to themselves because where else has it got to go?

 

This is exactly what I think and exactly what I feel. I don't wish any of it to my worst enemy. To think that I will end up alone or I won't be able to satisfy my partner naturally. I am on the smaller side. I have 13 cm give it or take NBPEL. (I measure when my pubic hair stops) And it completely ruined my confidence and as it did to you it also made me suicidal and completely depressed towards my life. It's like losing a game without even having a chance. This wasn't the only matter that made me into the absolute shambles I am today but it sure weighted a lot...

 

Add to that the fact that I can't last too long in bed no matter what I do and I have a bend in my penis which the doctors couldn't be precise to whether it is Peyronie's disease or not.

 

Today the thoughts have returned and I even started researching about methods to do it. It's stupid because I know I won't have the fucking guts. I wish eutanasia was legal here...

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1 hour ago, rmp said:

This is exactly what I think and exactly what I feel. I don't wish any of it to my worst enemy. To think that I will end up alone or I won't be able to satisfy my partner naturally. I am on the smaller side. I have 13 cm give it or take NBPEL. (I measure when my pubic hair stops) And it completely ruined my confidence and as it did to you it also made me suicidal and completely depressed towards my life. It's like losing a game without even having a chance. This wasn't the only matter that made me into the absolute shambles I am today but it sure weighted a lot...

 

Had to that the fact that I can't last too long in bed no matter what I do and I have a bend in my penis which the doctors couldn't be precise to whether it is Peyronie's disease or not.

 

Today the thoughts have returned and I even started researching about methods to do it. It's stupid because I know I won't have the fucking guts. I wish eutanasia was legal here...

As shitty as it sounds one thing that can give some momentary peace is imagine all the people on forums like this who'd kill to have a penis your size, that's what helps me for a while when I'm comparing myself to others

My NBP is 11.7cm and my BP is 16.3 so I'm having real troubles figuring out on which end of the spectrum I fit onto and trouble believing my BP measurements even though I've taken it multiple times a day every day for the last year or so, like on one hand the 16.3cm is there, on the other hand it's basically invisible so like, where do I fit? That's my problems and I'm comparing myself to others who aren't necessarily bigger than me, but have most of their BP size available to them, I could still have a bigger BP size but I'd still be incredibly envious of them, it's a fucked situation

What's your BP if you don't mind me asking?

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4 hours ago, therebetruth said:

As shitty as it sounds one thing that can give some momentary peace is imagine all the people on forums like this who'd kill to have a penis your size, that's what helps me for a while when I'm comparing myself to others

My NBP is 11.7cm and my BP is 16.3 so I'm having real troubles figuring out on which end of the spectrum I fit onto and trouble believing my BP measurements even though I've taken it multiple times a day every day for the last year or so, like on one hand the 16.3cm is there, on the other hand it's basically invisible so like, where do I fit? That's my problems and I'm comparing myself to others who aren't necessarily bigger than me, but have most of their BP size available to them, I could still have a bigger BP size but I'd still be incredibly envious of them, it's a fucked situation

What's your BP if you don't mind me asking?

I posted it on the other topic about measurements. I honestly don't know what's the difference. I am slim with a bit of muscle (Not much), I have one of those shitty ass bodies that can't get fat but it also isn't resistant at all and takes ages to get some muscle... I don't even know if there's a difference between BP or NBP for people like me because the way I see it it only makes sense for people that are over weight. That way you compensate for the weight that's covering it, right? Otherwise what's really the point of BP in a slim guy such as myself? It should be the same thing. I don't know. I don't have a fucking clue. It's a fucking mess to understand what's actual my true size and what's not so I usually put it in a range, to be more accurate. 

 

Skip to here if you don't want to read my weak ass complaining. I am stupid.

 

Nevertheless and answering your question if I put the ruler against my... well where my penis is attached to the rest of my body then the measurement is between 14-15cm. The measurement that I registered 8 out of 10 times was, as average as it may sound, 14.5cm BP so I assume that's the size of my penis length BP. 

 

I do feel bad about myself for complain when there's people in a much worse situation but I can't help it. I even wonder if my measurements are correct. My dick looks so small and skinny compared to most porn guys, even amateurs that I honestly even doubt if my measurements are correct. Seriously, I am so fucking paranoid. Don't even know why I am like that. it's not like my penis will grow. I have 22 yo after all.

 

Bottom line is What's the fucking difference between one and the other when I am slim and you can see my whole penis? To measure My NBP size I usually measure where my pubic hair stops as mentioned. I don't even know if that's how it is supposed to be. 

 

Sorry my language. I am feeling extremely anxious and I just talk like that.

 

EDIT: In the other comment about measurements I didn't say what my stretched penis size was. Again I don't see what's the point but BP it's basically the same as erect but if I try and measure it from below (starting from my balls and until the end) then my penis is only like 12,5 cm stretched (while flaccid ofc) and 13cm erect give it or take again. I don't know man.

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24 minutes ago, rmp said:

I posted it on the other topic about measurements. I honestly don't know what's the difference. I am slim with a bit of muscle (Not much), I have one of those shitty ass bodies that can't get fat but it also isn't resistant at all and takes ages to get some muscle... I don't even know if there's a difference between BP or NBP for people like me because the way I see it it only makes sense for people that are over weight. That way you compensate for the weight that's covering it, right? Otherwise what's really the point of BP in a slim guy such as myself? It should be the same thing. I don't know. I don't have a fucking clue. It's a fucking mess to understand what's actual my true size and what's not so I usually put it in a range, to be more accurate. 

 

Skip to here if you don't want to read my weak ass complaining. I am stupid.

 

Nevertheless and answering your question if I put the ruler against my... well where my penis is attached to the rest of my body then the measurement is between 14-15cm. The measurement that I registered 8 out of 10 times was, as average as it may sound, 14.5cm BP so I assume that's the size of my penis length BP. 

 

I do feel bad about myself for complain when there's people in a much worse situation but I can't help it. I even wonder if my measurements are correct. My dick looks so small and skinny compared to most porn guys, even amateurs that I honestly even doubt if my measurements are correct. Seriously, I am so fucking paranoid. Don't even know why I am like that. it's not like my penis will grow. I have 22 yo after all.

 

Bottom line is What's the fucking difference between one and the other when I am slim and you can see my whole penis? To measure My NBP size I usually measure where my pubic hair stops as mentioned. I don't even know if that's how it is supposed to be. 

 

Sorry my language. I am feeling extremely anxious and I just talk like that.

 

EDIT: In the other comment about measurements I didn't say what my stretched penis size was. Again I don't see what's the point but BP it's basically the same as erect but if I try and measure it from below (starting from my balls and until the end) then my penis is only like 12,5 cm stretched (while flaccid ofc) and 13cm erect give it or take again. I don't know man.

Stretched size is inconsistent and varies person to person, I can stretch my flaccid to only around 4.5 inches (bone pressed) yet my bone pressed erect is 6.5 I just dont have a stretchy dick I guess

Basically every guy has some level of fat there, typically around .5 inches unless you're like some super scrawny athlete, bone pressed size is the size studies use because that's the size you have available to you if you lost your pubic fat pad, but of course fat pad sizes vary so that's why you use bone pressed because you can always lose fat but you can't (well you can, but for the average guys sake) gain size

measuring to the base of your penis without pushing in is your NBP size (so around where your pubes start) so that should be fine

If your fat pad is around .5 inches then that's pretty standard and you'd have to go hard in the gym to work it off but that's pointless to do since that .5 is still usable in sex, just not visible when you're not inside a girl (or guy)

14.5cm is pretty normal and since you should basically be that NBP you got nothing to worry about length wise but of course I dont know your girth

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2 minutes ago, therebetruth said:

Stretched size is inconsistent and varies person to person, I can stretch my flaccid to only around 4.5 inches (bone pressed) yet my bone pressed erect is 6.5 I just dont have a stretchy dick I guess

Basically every guy has some level of fat there, typically around .5 inches unless you're like some super scrawny athlete, bone pressed size is the size studies use because that's the size you have available to you if you lost your pubic fat pad, but of course fat pad sizes vary so that's why you use bone pressed because you can always lose fat but you can't (well you can, but for the average guys sake) gain size

measuring to the base of your penis without pushing in is your NBP size (so around where your pubes start) so that should be fine

If your fat pad is around .5 inches then that's pretty standard and you'd have to go hard in the gym to work it off but that's pointless to do since that .5 is still usable in sex, just not visible when you're not inside a girl (or guy)

14.5cm is pretty normal and since you should basically be that NBP you got nothing to worry about length wise but of course I dont know your girth

I usually don't worry too much about my flaccid size. It's like I read in another topic "erect for the ladies, flaccid for my confidence". Couldn't be more truthful. It's worse when I exercise. For some reason it shrinks. Probably the blood flowing faster through my body makes it compensate and only "give" what's necessary to my penis, i don't know... (Writing this made me grin a little)  Normally it's around 6-8cm.

 

So NBP is measuring from the base of the penis without pressing? Okay... I think I understood it better now. 

 

I posted my girth aswell in my post where I vent about my SPS. Anyway it's 13.5cm-14cm (Measured in the middle of my penis only. Never measured anywhere else). Needless to say that this is while erect. Flaccid I don't even know. I don't really care too much to be honest nowadays. I used to when I was younger now I just hope it works and lasts and is enough...

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1 minute ago, rmp said:

I usually don't worry too much about my flaccid size. It's like I read in another topic "erect for the ladies, flaccid for my confidence". Couldn't be more truthful. It's worse when I exercise. For some reason it shrinks. Probably the blood flowing faster through my body makes it compensate and only "give" what's necessary to my penis, i don't know... (Writing this made me grin a little)  Normally it's around 6-8cm.

 

So NBP is measuring from the base of the penis without pressing? Okay... I think I understood it better now. 

 

I posted my girth aswell in my post where I vent about my SPS. Anyway it's 13.5cm-14cm (Measured in the middle of my penis only. Never measured anywhere else). Needless to say that this is while erect. Flaccid I don't even know. I don't really care too much to be honest nowadays. I used to when I was younger now I just hope it works and lasts and is enough...

'erect for the ladies, flaccid for my confidence' yeah I was the one who wrote that haha

Your dick don't sound thin so you should be good, yeah some girls are size queens but fuck it that's their thing, I prefer thin girls, that shouldn't make me shallow, they prefer big dicks, that shouldn't make them shallow (plus some of them are too fat for average sized dicks, heh)

Flaccid is my concern too, my BP flaccid is like 4.3 inches but it shrinks a lot due to excessive masturbation, temperature and shitty bloodflow due to my weight

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18 minutes ago, therebetruth said:

'erect for the ladies, flaccid for my confidence' yeah I was the one who wrote that haha

Your dick don't sound thin so you should be good, yeah some girls are size queens but fuck it that's their thing, I prefer thin girls, that shouldn't make me shallow, they prefer big dicks, that shouldn't make them shallow (plus some of them are too fat for average sized dicks, heh)

Flaccid is my concern too, my BP flaccid is like 4.3 inches but it shrinks a lot due to excessive masturbation, temperature and shitty bloodflow due to my weight

If my girlfriend breaks up with me tomorrow and says that the problem is "i need a bigger penis" I honestly won't judge (so long as she tells me this with respect ofc). I like what I like and women like what they like as long as it is said with respect I won't mind. Don't get me wrong, it will hurt as fuck if she says that to me some day. I love this girl with everything i have. Every last bit of hope. I don't have a big penis. I don't have an above average penis. I'm on the smaller side and there's little to nothing I can do especially because since I have that bend which probably happened due to over masturbation I am afraid that trying out stuff like jelqing and even those pumps will damage it even more to the point it will be unusable. Peyronie's disease is no easy thing to digest. I got lucky because my bent happened 14 months ago more or less and it seems stagnant for at least 1 year so if I had the disease it stopped developing which is a fucking miracle. I was losing my mind over it. I am paranoid as I said and very anxious... I think I am just stupid and weak if I am honest.

 

I don't know man it may sound silly but I think you would be a great friend if I met you irl. You have similar ideas to my own. Every comment I read from you in here I completely agree with so far. 

 

Anyway thanks for "chatting" with me a little bit about this. I know I can be annoying sometimes due to the way I am. I am not healed but at least I know I am not alone... It's a selfish and very evil thought but I can't help it, it's the truth... I never said I was a good person... Maybe I deserve all the shit I got for being weak...

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3 minutes ago, rmp said:

If my girlfriend breaks up with me tomorrow and says that the problem is "i need a bigger penis" I honestly won't judge (so long as she tells me this with respect ofc). I like what I like and women like what they like as long as it is said with respect I won't mind. Don't get me wrong, it will hurt as fuck if she says that to me some day. I love this girl with everything i have. Every last bit of hope. I don't have a big penis. I don't have an above average penis. I'm on the smaller side and there's little to nothing I can do especially because since I have that bend which probably happened due to over masturbation I am afraid that trying out stuff like jelqing and even those pumps will damage it even more to the point it will be unusable. Peyronie's disease is no easy thing to digest. I got lucky because my bent happened 14 months ago more or less and it seems stagnant for at least 1 year so if I had the disease it stopped developing which is a fucking miracle. I was losing my mind over it. I am paranoid as I said and very anxious... I think I am just stupid and weak if I am honest.

 

I don't know man it may sound silly but I think you would be a great friend if I met you irl. You have similar ideas to my own. Every comment I read from you in here I completely agree with so far. 

 

Anyway thanks for "chatting" with me a little bit about this. I know I can be annoying sometimes due to the way I am. I am not healed but at least I know I am not alone... It's a selfish and very evil thought but I can't help it, it's the truth... I never said I was a good person... Maybe I deserve all the shit I got for being weak...

i do pumps and jelqing, doesn't do any harm so long as you don't go at it like a barbarian and you get some pretty nice temporary gains on your way to getting permanent ones

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19 hours ago, RonaldU said:

rmp you are perfectly average

There's a bunch of people here who are average, but obsessed about being small.  Being average is just a minor handicap.

I'm actually small bone pressed never more than 4.5" (11.43)  During my sexually active years I never measured and thought I was a grower and probably ave. at 6" (15.24)

I may not have ever fucked if I knew my measurement.  Or, I would have stuck with one of my wives.  I always felt something was wrong and would gravitate to oral.  I got very promiscous trying to deny my lack of sexual proficiency......blaming it on the woman and therefore looking for another woman.

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On 6/15/2018 at 5:20 AM, lloydbaker said:

There's a bunch of people here who are average, but obsessed about being small.  Being average is just a minor handicap.

I'm actually small bone pressed never more than 4.5" (11.43)  During my sexually active years I never measured and thought I was a grower and probably ave. at 6" (15.24)

I may not have ever fucked if I knew my measurement.  Or, I would have stuck with one of my wives.  I always felt something was wrong and would gravitate to oral.  I got very promiscous trying to deny my lack of sexual proficiency......blaming it on the woman and therefore looking for another woman.

But why are you so sure you had a problem?

Maybe the problem was you realized one day you were not big?

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I'm not going to tell you that you are big or small, it's how you perceive yourself.  I can tell you that I am smaller then both of you, and smaller then lloydbaker as well.

But how happy you are in life is based on yourself, your day can only be as good as your outlook on it.  

I'm in my mid-40s. I'm kind of funny, not bad looking, work hard and made myself successful based upon my outlook and drive. 

I always told women that I was kinda small....and then I wouldn't let them see it for months instead driving them to pleasure using my tongue. By the time they saw how small it was I had built up the negative so much that they were expecting something even smaller....

As I said, I'm in my mid-40s, I have an incredibly gorgeous wife who is just a few years younger then me and is madly in love with me. Does she make love to me?  Occasionally. Do I satisfy her with my tongue? At least twice a day. Is she satisfied with her sex-life?  Yes, mostly because she has a ridiculously well hung ex-boyfriend she fucks for hours a few nights every week. 

Do what you are good at, I am smarter, funnier, more successful and better looking then her ex-boyfriend. I can provide her with love and comfort and emotional and spiritual support that he would never be capable of. But, he's as far on the large side of the bell curve as I am on the small side of the bell curve (and we are talking the extreme statistical ends here) and I can't physically satisfy her sexually like he can, so I accept it and allow it because no matter how much she loves me and our life together, if she couldn't give herself to him she would have left me years ago.

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On 10/4/2018 at 7:38 PM, SamMann said:

I'm not going to tell you that you are big or small, it's how you perceive yourself.  I can tell you that I am smaller then both of you, and smaller then lloydbaker as well.

But how happy you are in life is based on yourself, your day can only be as good as your outlook on it.  

I'm in my mid-40s. I'm kind of funny, not bad looking, work hard and made myself successful based upon my outlook and drive. 

I always told women that I was kinda small....and then I wouldn't let them see it for months instead driving them to pleasure using my tongue. By the time they saw how small it was I had built up the negative so much that they were expecting something even smaller.... 

As I said, I'm in my mid-40s, I have an incredibly gorgeous wife who is just a few years younger then me and is madly in love with me. Does she make love to me?  Occasionally. Do I satisfy her with my tongue? At least twice a day. Is she satisfied with her sex-life?  Yes, mostly because she has a ridiculously well hung ex-boyfriend she fucks for hours a few nights every week. 

Do what you are good at, I am smarter, funnier, more successful and better looking then her ex-boyfriend. I can provide her with love and comfort and emotional and spiritual support that he would never be capable of. But, he's as far on the large side of the bell curve as I am on the small side of the bell curve (and we are talking the extreme statistical ends here) and I can't physically satisfy her sexually like he can, so I accept it and allow it because no matter how much she loves me and our life together, if she couldn't give herself to him she would have left me years ago. 

To me what you write really shows how opportunistic women are. Essentially she is only with you because you are succesful. let me guess.  You pay for dinner when you are out?

"Does she make love to me?  Occasionally "   WTF??? She cant be bothered to have sex with her husband more than "ocasionally" ?

that wouldn't work for me in a million years....I'd rather be alone which incidetially also is the case.
 

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