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https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/?utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.863aa39b156e

 

Since 2008, the share of men younger than 30 reporting no sex has nearly tripled, to 28 percent. That’s a much steeper increase than the 8 percentage point increase reported among their female peers.

 

How much of this decline do you think can be attributed to penis size?

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1 hour ago, lifelongvirgin said:

How much of this decline do you think can be attributed to penis size?

I fail to see the logic behind the question.  It's like asking if global warming plays a role.  In what scenario would penis size play a role in decreased sexual activity in the population?  Has the number of really small penises suddenly spiked?  

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On 3/29/2019 at 7:04 PM, Victimorthecrime said:

I fail to see the logic behind the question.  It's like asking if global warming plays a role.  In what scenario would penis size play a role in decreased sexual activity in the population?  Has the number of really small penises suddenly spiked?  

No but the awareness of it certainly has, which probably makes women more discriminating about it (gay men always were):

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/marco-rubio-goes-after-donald-trumps-small-hands/

https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2018/10/stormy-daniels-kimmel-sarah-paulson-trump-book-full-disclosure

https://news.yahoo.com/andrew-yang-talks-identity-campaign-225414757.html (The “emasculation” he references is explicitly penis size, although - bizarrely for the huffington post -  the article is intentionally vague.)

And it’s only going to get worse. 2020 promises to be the year of the penis in American politics. People who subscribe to left-right political dynamics always fail to take into account that the pendulum swings, much like the dicks with which everyone is obsessed. Which brings me back to what I’ve repeatedly said, sexual prowess and phallus obsession are the only things that bridge both ends of the political spectrum - it’s the one thing valued by both radical feminism and toxic masculinity. Read the typical comments in the radical sewers of the internets. Phallus worship will be the state religion. No hyperbole here. I thought of writing a long post about this in verse like Nostradamus but decided not too. I might write an e-book and try to make some shekels so I can afford to pay attractive young couples to produce sex shows for me in a luxurious atmosphere.

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I don't doubt that there is plenty of both penis insecurity & harassment out there and probably more than before but I just don't think that explains the change in the relationship trend.  

The problem w the internet is that whatever it is that plagues your mind (body issues, race, gender, aliens, paganism, careers, veganism) you'll find endless material about it so that it will seem like that answers everything.  

Regarding the article about guys having less sex the answers it offers - 'partnering up' later in life and the recession/economy is way off the mark. Those are total non-factors. If those things mattered the ghetto would have a zero birth rate.  The answer is: the internet! 😳 shocked face.  Women can find who they really want.  That's about 20% of the guys. The women that the 20% don't want are just choosing to remain single rather than settle.  

Just my opinion.  

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But you don't have to be in a relationship to have sex. The report says since 2008 fewer young men are having sex but the number of young women having sex hasn't changed much. So we can deduce that young women are having the same amount of sex with fewer guys. Why is that?

 

I'm just speculating that with the rise of social media and the internet and the marked rise in both penis shaming and girls becoming more vocal about their size preference more young men are shying away from sexual encounters. It wouldn't account for all of it obviously as there could be any number of reasons (MGTOW movement etc) but it doesn't hurt to ask. I highly doubt it's due to young men not wanting to have sex.

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11 hours ago, lifelongvirgin said:

I highly doubt it's due to young men not wanting to have sex.

It might have helped if the person doing the study had asked. 

I see so many young guys that seem to be absorbed in their interests to the exclusion of girls.  Video games, craft beer, watching and obsessed w sports, over involvement in following rock bands, smoking dope, living at home or in a flop house w other dudes, never - and I mean never looking up from the phone and so on.  Sure body image can play a role but I mean I felt that growing up too as I am sure the the generation before me did. I mean look at the old Charles Atlas ads.  

Again just my opinion. No biggie.

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We're also not considering the effects of the #MeToo thing. I personally know a couple of guys who refuse to be alone with women at work, and they are what I would consider desirable men, not beta males or the old slobs paraded in the media...so you can imagine that average and below average men are terrified of being accused of rape. And it's always rape when the guy is average or below.  The above average "chads" never get accused of this because everyone would know it's bullshit, particularly other women. Below average men like me used to simply be called "creeps". Now we're rapists because we aren't worthy enough in women's eyes to even approach them, therefore it's rape. 

In addition, I was almost out of college by the time the first iPhone was introduced. Even then a guy still had to go to a bar or party or some other social gathering where women were to get laid (obviously I didn't, but that's another topic). I don't think older generations fully grasp the transformation that apps like Tinder have effected in the world of sex relations. Boys in middle school are sending dick pics to girls and hooking up by the time they're 13-14 years old. It's made dating for women nothing more than a vast meat market. Dudes advertise their goods and the women simply pick and choose what they want. One well endowed, good looking guy may fuck 50 girls in his geo-radius on the app. This is reality. It isn't some fantasy I've cooked up. This is "dating" in 2019. A young colleague (24-25 years old), when I was asking him out of curiosity about Tinder last year, showed me a "match" he'd made and some of the chat history. The girl flat out said when he asked her what she was looking for, "honestly, just great conversation and great sex". Verbatim that was her reply. Because it's a small company in a small town I heard through the grapevine that he's supposedly hung like a stallion. Go figure.

Now, some guys will argue that women in general are not as sexual as men, that what they really want is a relationship, emotions, blah blah, and all the rest. I call absolute bullshit on this. In 32 years of living in this shitpool I've never seen one piece of evidence that supports this claim in the way that it's articulated. 

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Yes there are a lot of factors. I didn't even think of the #Metoo thing.  Also more and more people are pushing back the "start date" for a "real" relationship.  While it's obviously true that you don't need a relationship in order to have sex - many do.  Not all guys can pull off the hook-up thing.  So what happens is you push it back and someday turns into never.  Once a person starts working the years fly by.  That's what happened to me tbh.  

Hope things are as well as can be expected @Klingpeach.  Hang in there.  I'll do my moaning and pissing on my 'planning' page.  

 

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On 3/29/2019 at 6:25 PM, lifelongvirgin said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/?utm_source=reddit.com&utm_term=.863aa39b156e

Since 2008, the share of men younger than 30 reporting no sex has nearly tripled, to 28 percent. That’s a much steeper increase than the 8 percentage point increase reported among their female peers.

How much of this decline do you think can be attributed to penis size?

Porn, I do believe, has tremendously amplified the importance of penis size in the minds of men, especially, but women too.  Also, porn presents the image that only the outstanding, athletic sex performances featured for the camera are of any value.

I was married for 5 years before I saw much porn because it wasn't available.  I was very late maturing, had a passive personality and didn't date or have intercourse until I was a Sr. in College because I finally started drinking to deal with my shyness.  If I had watched porn, from 12 years old or so, I probably never would have had a date.

The main message of porn is that you are pathetic in sexual activity unless you are very well hung.  Guys considerably larger than average come away from porn thinking they are too small for anything but "pity fucks."

I have read that a large % of the guys on the various quick sex apps don't get any sex.  A relatively small % of men do all the fucking, but almost all the women have sex if they want.  All they have to do is say yes to what looks best.  Men who are good looking in face, genitals and body and are assertive hook-up easily.

There are relationship dating apps too, but, those people count as "not having sex" until they actually score a relationship.  Maybe eventually a lot of the young men not having sex will get married. . .  ??  Maybe not?

Anyway, the increasing % of young men not having sex doesn't surprise me.  

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On 3/30/2019 at 2:29 PM, Klingpeach said:

We're also not considering the effects of the #MeToo thing. I personally know a couple of guys who refuse to be alone with women at work, and they are what I would consider desirable men, not beta males or the old slobs paraded in the media...so you can imagine that average and below average men are terrified of being accused of rape. And it's always rape when the guy is average or below.  The above average "chads" never get accused of this because everyone would know it's bullshit, particularly other women. Below average men like me used to simply be called "creeps". Now we're rapists because we aren't worthy enough in women's eyes to even approach them, therefore it's rape. 

You may have this backwards.  A lot of the metoo'ers go after the alpha men plying them for favors and then turn on them if they don't get what they want.  Like a prostitute who didn't get what she thought was the agreed upon payment.  Guys not having sex can only wish some women would submit for favors!  No favors to dispense!  And women want to go where the status and money is.  Men not having sex have no status.

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2 hours ago, Victimorthecrime said:

Ok so let's say your an looking average looking average income guy w a below average size junk. What would be the best strategy to find an actual girlfriend on a dating app?  Any thoughts or experiences? I'd really like to know. 

There isn't one. 

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3 hours ago, Victimorthecrime said:

Ok so let's say your an looking average looking average income guy w a below average size junk. What would be the best strategy to find an actual girlfriend on a dating app?  Any thoughts or experiences? I'd really like to know. 

Don't go for a girl friend.  Define yourself as wanting marriage and children and having interests compatible with home life and family man.  With luck you might find a woman tired of the sex game, or never in it for some reason, and ready to settle down and settle for you.  This is just a hypothesis.

Basically, that is how it was when I married though dating apps were not the rage then.

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On 3/31/2019 at 5:16 PM, Victimorthecrime said:

Ok so let's say your an looking average looking average income guy w a below average size junk. What would be the best strategy to find an actual girlfriend on a dating app?  Any thoughts or experiences? I'd really like to know. 

Do it the way people did it before there was such a thing as the internet and dating apps.

 

The problem is people all want to date above them. Guys all want to date the prettiest, slimmest girls and women want the cute, athletic guys. The hardest thing to do when looking for a mate is staying in your lane.

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On 4/1/2019 at 11:09 PM, lifelongvirgin said:

l want to date above them. Guys all want to date the prettiest, slimmest girls and women want the cute, athletic guys. The hardest thing to do when looking for a mate is staying in your lane.

Not my impression.  True for some men and women too, but not all.

"If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, get and ugly woman to be your wife."  Not everyone is arrogant.

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Studies have shown that on most dating sites the best looking 20% of the men get the attention of about 80% of the women. Men aren't quite as shallow their numbers are more like 60/40. Even then you have to take into account a good portion of men are only looking for a hook up so they will let looks slide to some degree.

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On ‎4‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 4:16 AM, divorced said:

"If you want to be happy for the rest of your life, get and ugly woman to be your wife."  Not everyone is arrogant.

I don't particularly agree with this, having met a range of women - not only is it a bit of an insult to any wife, level of attractiveness hasn't imo been related to how nice/pleasant women have been.

It's more trying to judge how selfish/self absorbed/mean individuals are.

Doesn't mean someone couldn't appreciate attractive qualities as much as appearance though.

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On 3/29/2019 at 10:37 PM, nolongerhere said:

But you don't have to be in a relationship to have sex. The report says since 2008 fewer young men are having sex but the number of young women having sex hasn't changed much. So we can deduce that young women are having the same amount of sex with fewer guys. Why is that?

 

I'm just speculating that with the rise of social media and the internet and the marked rise in both penis shaming and girls becoming more vocal about their size preference more young men are shying away from sexual encounters. It wouldn't account for all of it obviously as there could be any number of reasons (MGTOW movement etc) but it doesn't hurt to ask. I highly doubt it's due to young men not wanting to have sex.

No wonder there's been such a rise in the incel culture.

I'm on Whisper and I see so many guys posting about being in their mid-20s and virgins not by their own choosing.

Feminist empowerment has had significant implications. In the 1800s nobody was allowed to talk about penis size or sexual prowess, and women took what they were given. Now they're the arbiters who choose, and it's exacerbating natural selection.

 

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2 hours ago, jazz said:

I don't particularly agree with this, having met a range of women - not only is it a bit of an insult to any wife, level of attractiveness hasn't imo been related to how nice/pleasant women have been.

It's more trying to judge how selfish/self absorbed/mean individuals are.

Doesn't mean someone couldn't appreciate attractive qualities as much as appearance though.

Honestly, I do think the best way to overcome a small penis is to date a women 2-3 notches down on the looks spectrum.

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On 4/10/2019 at 2:57 AM, GoldenBoyX said:

Honestly, I do think the best way to overcome a small penis is to date a women 2-3 notches down on the looks spectrum.

If you have a negative impression of yourself on any level including genitals, it would be sensible to aim lower for a partner.  The alternative would be to correct your negative impression of yourself if it is incorrect!  

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