Why do women compare the two...

[Bestcobra]

Alright, so I'm sure every guy here with this problem has heard a woman say "having a small penis is the same as small breasts" And I really wish they would stop saying that. Yes, some men like them to be bigger but I actually LIKE and prefer woman with a smaller chest, it just always looks better to me if a woman has a smaller chest it's a feature I'm physically attracted to. Women with bigger breasts actually completely turn me off.

And what else I never understood, yea I get the point that women want men to be happy with how they look. But other than licking and playing with them really they can't cause much more pleasure for a man, well maybe a few other ways but I'm not getting into that. But my point is, women don't have to try to cope with the fact of putting something inside of another person who you KNOW has had bigger. If anything women should be worried about if they are tight enough shouldn't they? But, most women that I've talked to that's been with more than a few guys don't care and if the guy isn't good enough physically then it's his problem.

Any guy with this problem most likely has the fear before of ever even having sex with a woman that she will just laugh at him, walk out and leave or just lay there and ask him if it's even in yet. It's completely degrading and humiliating honestly to even let anyone know we have this problem, let alone trust someone enough to be part of it.

But why do women treat it like it's the same as their breasts being small? Cause I would prefer someone with a completely flat chest over someone with D or any bigger, C is almost too big in my opinion but that's just me. But honestly what women WANTS a penis that's 2 inches erect? Maybe some of them are even okay with it, but I don't think that's something anyone ever wants. If anything most women just want a normal sized one from everyone I've talked to. They don't want too small or too big, I'm only speaking for what I've head myself of course but I just really wish so many women would stop comparing the two when they are nothing the same. Like I said before if anything I think it should be compared to how tight a women is.

Does anyone agree with me on this?

[Wastedlife]

They are comparing because they don't understand man...and they want to be dismissive without facing the problem. I understand it in a way, you don't want to tell someone hes ugly when they ask you even though you know they are...

[Bundy]

It's not just women, I hear men with average or bigger penises say the same shit.

I know a lot of guys who are especially into small breasts, around A or B cup. Even If you look at porn, there is a respectable amount of material of women like that, any decent looking woman with smaller breasts still can get the satisfaction out of the fact that many men are genuinely attracted to her, and it's also not some weird fetish thing. Now let's compare porn with small guys, 90% of which the material is about humiliation and degradation, shit, even the comments under those videos are usually vicious as fuck towards small guys. Also, if a woman REALLY hates her breast so much, that it's ruining her life, she still has the option of breast surgery, which is an extremely well-developed field of cosmetic medicine. Usually people with these kind of problems won't be really much happier either after the operation, just saying that at least the option is there for those who feel really miserable about this, while everything in this field about penises is completely underdeveloped.

A while ago I kind of developed the problem that I really can't get enjoyment out of these videos, since all guys are massively bigger than me, and I just can't bear wading through a sea of humiliation porn before I get something with a guy around my size. And even then, they are still usually always bigger than me. Again, can't see someone with a decent sized dick able to "understand" what I'm going through.

This reminds me of this South Park episode; where the moral was than of the main characters, Stan, cannot understand how one of his classmates, Token, feels, when someone drops the N-bomb. Stan tried to understand what a black person feels when he/she hears the word nigger, but he simply can't because he is an average white, american boy. To me, this is the exact same situation. It pisses me off when someone seriously tries to tell me that they know how I'm feeling, because I'm sure they fucking don't. Do you know what it's like to be confronted with the fact that in modern western society, as a guy with a small penis, you are nothing more than a joke on a nearly constant basis, day for day, constantly thinking about finally putting an end to your miserable existence or going on a killing spree and making all these motherfuckers pay who turned you into a psychotic and enraged misanthrope.

The only kind of women that I think understands this situation are genuinely ugly women, because I would assume they know what it feels like when society constantly shits on them.

[Bestcobra]

Yep Bundy I know exactly what you mean. I'm just glad you guys actually agree with me here and it's not just me being paranoid or something. And yea bundy I'm the same way when it comes to porn and everything, we have to have a way to get that out of our system regardless of size and the only thing you can find is guys 3-4 times bigger than me or humiliation porn. And why the hell would I want to see someone getting humiliated over it? All that will do is make me feel even worse. And yea another great point you made, you see small breast pages on every site you go to because such a mass amount of men actually prefer them small and there's so many sites JUST with small breasts. Try to find one site where women actually WANT to see small penises, it won't happen. I've tried many many times and it's just not something that's there cause it's not something women want. Yes maybe women can accept the fact that their husband isn't as big as other people I'm not disagreeing to that at all. But who the hell wants to be just "accepted" in a relationship? Everyone wants to be LIKED for the way they are, and this isn't something men can change at all. If a woman's not happy with her chest, she can find someone that actually wants to be with her and likes her chest, guys with small penises can't find women that LIKE them being small cause that's not reality. I'll go as far as saying you might find some women that would prefer one that's 4.5 inches when erect. That's about as small as I've heard anyone actually preferring them to be, and mine is sure as hell smaller than that. Not to mention width, length isn't all I'm missing most guys are twice as wide as me so what's my immediate thought? "Well she won't be able to feel a damn thing, no point in having sex" I mean seriously, if I'm the only one benefiting from it then there's no point for me. Sure it would feel nice for me, while she lays there just not caring about what's going on and letting it happen. And women always say "men's size matters more to them than it does to women" Well hell yea it does, we want to actually feel like we're worth something. And even when women's chest size doesn't matter all that much, most women think it does so surely their chest size matters more to women than it does to men. Men just have preferences over that feature like anything else, some men like full lips of skinnier noses and some don't. Show me a woman that says she wants a 2 inch penis when erect that has the width of a pencil, that woman doesn't exist. So yea, I really wish they would stop trying compare the two.

[thouroghlyunhappy]

Yeah, lol, this small breast/small penis comparison is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. I mean, small breasts aren't gonna render a female almost sexually useless and there's ton's of guys whom like small breasts or don't care either way....

[Cece.dedesl]

You guys should try and understand the significance of breasts for women. Where the penis is your symbol of masculinity, breasts are a female's symbol of femininity.

We face judgement and ridicule because of our breasts just as often as you face it with your penises. That's the main reason women make the comparison.

I find it ironic, people who desperately want acceptance for their perceived flaws but they lack the compassion to understand the importance someone else may place on their body parts in an attempt to sympathize.

I read posts like this and can't help but feel exasperated. You guys act like you're the only ones who have ever been dumped because you didn't fit some pigeon hole your partner wanted or expected.

[Bundy]

You guys should try and understand the significance of breasts for women. Where the penis is your symbol of masculinity, breasts are a female's symbol of femininity.

We face judgement and ridicule because of our breasts just as often as you face it with your penises. That's the main reason women make the comparison.

I find it ironic, people who desperately want acceptance for their perceived flaws but they lack the compassion to understand the importance someone else may place on their body parts in an attempt to sympathize.

I read posts like this and can't help but feel exasperated. You guys act like you're the only ones who have ever been dumped because you didn't fit some pigeon hole your partner wanted or expected.

I can't speak for the other guys here, but for me it's not about acceptance or being dumped (I never had a girlfriend to begin with) but more about the status of men with small penis in todays society, especially the western world. I can deal with the fact that someone would not want me because of my small penis, everybody has his preferences, I'm also able to sympathize, but I can only speak from my experiences. I for one have never seen personally how a woman was mocked mercilessly for her small breasts, except during my teenage time (and I don't really count that, since teens are inherently disgusting evil pieces of shit). And just like I mentioned, I have heard and seen enough positive statements about women with small breasts, more than half of my friends are actually into smaller boobs, also the large access of pornographic material with smaller women leads me to believe that there is a respectable amount of people that are actually specifically attracted to this. I challenge you Cece, show me one video with a guy involving a small penis that isn't humiliation material or doesn't have extremely malicious comments in it, just one.

There is also the fact that any guy who approaches a woman with small breasts knows what he is getting into, there is no nasty surprise waiting for him. Going into the battle and not even knowing the enemy is something we constantly have to do, a situation I don't really see anybody else having a problem with, except women with damaged genitalia, which again, I can sympathize a lot with, and again, I also never heard of being made fun of, because come on, laughing at people that got in an accident or got cut up in some religious rite is just sociopathic. But small guys are a completely other ballgame, because it's fun and not that big of a deal, right? (not that big of a deal, get it?)

Usually people like you tell me how you should first get to know someone before you jump int he sack with them, so you'll know if you have a decent girl. The deal is, young males are very competitive about their sexual victories, and in todays society, having a one-night stand just for the fun of it shows that you are not a weirdo and can keep up with your peers. But small guys always have to come up with excuses to why they never go to the clubs with them, or why you always vehemently try to not get with anyone. Over the time, It just gets so frustrating to hear as a 21y old how you should look for a nice, not judgmental girl that will accept you how you are, while not even having the chance the fully explore your sexually beforehand and just enjoy sex as a recreational activity instead of a commitment. It just feels like I have been robbed of my youth. Everybody knows that life just gets shittier and more miserable the older you get, and because of all this bullshit, I couldn't even enjoy the best of it.

I'm sorry If I offended you, but If you can pick apart my argument and disprove it with empirical evidence, I'll concede my point of women with small breasts not having as hard a time as we do, but after several years of paying attention to both equally I just can't agree with you facing ridicule just as much as me. I honestly think nobody gets made fun of more than guy with small dicks, we are literally the worlds biggest laughing stock, except maybe ugly women.

What I'm trying to say is, just fuck this world and its rotten inhabitants. Stellar black holes, gamma-ray busts and/or solar expansions are the only things that keep me going at this point.

[Wastedlife]

No one will dump a women or not have a relationship with her because she has small breast, never in my life did any friends tell me this or felt like that. All breasts are in symbols of femininity, small or big it doesn’t effect heir function. Penis on the other hand has functions which are necessary to enjoy sex for both man and female, and size is one of them. So you cant compare the two,...

I never heard a joke or some sort of “small” comparison when describing women with small breasts, because no one cares...While you hear penis jokes and smart remarks made about penis size EVERYWHERE. Like on big pop bottles where is says SIZE MATTERS or some other items, what do you think there referring to...breasts size? I don't think so.

[Notdoneyet]

I'll admit that in today's society there are two groups of people who are "fair game" for being the

butt end of jokes that the "politically correct" folks feel comfortable in having a good time in making disparaging remarks about them.

One group are the "hill people" who are referred to as hillbillies or otherwise "trailer trash.

The other group are men who have been "blessed" with smaller than average genitalia.

Anybody other than these groups will draw shrieks of horror should anybody make comments that they would find

offensive.

My reason for knowing this is because I happen to be a member of both and although I have managed to parlay my southern roots

to my advantage, I have yet to find a way to garner any gain from my other "handicap".

All you can do is try to make the best of your situation.

[Bestcobra]

Cece, I completely understand the fact that some woman don't like that they have smaller breasts cause they think it matters. But women having small boobs does NOT matter at all. I am one of the very many people that actually prefer smaller breasts, my ex used to say she was "flat" when she wasn't flat at all. When someone says "flat" to me, I shouldn't be able to tell the difference in a girl from a guy aside from her face/hair. Small breasts are not "flat" they're great in my opinion along with a lot of other men. Also another reason I like them, did you know that all breasts have the same amount of nerve endings? This means bigger breasts actually feel less because they're more spread out, and smaller ones feel more, meaning more pleasure which turns me on. So women not liking their breasts being small is simply because of what they THINK society likes do to bad movies and complete dicks that only date girls because of certain features and if ANY guy is like that then they only want sex. And if all they want is sex, and women can't seem to see the guys that only want them for sex until they get to know them better and they SEEM nice. My ex hated her breasts and thought they was too small because her ex told her that, that's one persons opinion and her ex before me also forced her into doing oral anytime he wanted. That's just to show my point of the kind of people that talk down about women, men don't do that unless they're mad theirself or they're just honestly a sort of shitty person. I would NEVER break up with someone because of the size of their breasts, and I don't know a single guy that would. But I can name about 5-6 girls that I know personally that would break up with a guy for having a small dick. Not because they're "stupid bitches" as mad guys that are small would like to say. But because this day in age that's how the world works, women want the alpha male it's just how it is and how their instincts naturally are. Humans are still mammals, it's part of their nature and alpha males do not have small penises end of story. Yes, there's a lot of women that can LOOK PAST the fact that their partner has a small penis. But I don't know, have never known, and will never know of a woman that would prefer a small penis. And by small I do not mean 4 inches, I mean seriously small. Woman that ARE truly flat chested STILL get men hitting on them, flirting with them and trying to date them and you can see before even talking to a woman what her chest is like. If a man wasn't ok with it, he wouldn't talk to them so clearly he is. Women can not tell if a guy has a small dick until he either tells her, she sees it or she feels it that's it. So you HAVE to get to know guys before knowing if he has a small dick or not, and I can promise you 95% of women would not even touch a 2 inch penis a second time. Like bundy said, if you can prove that theory wrong by gathering a group of women that say they "like" small penises then by all means do it and prove us wrong. I could gather a room of 10 guys in my house tonight that all LIKE small boobs. Try finding 10 women in this country that like small penises and I would be honestly amazed. Being accepting and liking is two completely different things, so please do not compare penis size with breast size they are nowhere near the same. As I said before, if women are worried about something physically in that department that has to do with sex, they should worry about how tight they are, not their breast size. When women think of breasts being small they think of how they look, I get that part. Nobody sees a guys penis in public, but I can tell you from experience when walking in public I've actually thought to myself before "if only that women had smaller breasts" Because like I said, smaller breasts are a turn-on for me and it's my preference. I don't ask anyone to date me anymore, but I still like looking. When have you ever heard of a girl walking around and see a decent looking guy and think to herself "Damn if only that mine had a tiny dick he would be perfect" That's a joke all on it's own, if someone presented what I just said on any show, it would get a 50 million laughs cause nobody wants that. A small dick is a shame to any man and always will be, it's a direct reflection of a mans masculinity a woman's breast size is not. For me a woman's masculinity is in her face, that's it. Completely and totally in her face, yes I prefer a certain body type of course most people have a preference but as long as I like someones face, regardless of how much they weigh, how tall or short they are, their race or breast size I would date them. If I do not like someone face, then I won't date them. If I'm going to be looking into someones face every day telling them I love them, I want to enjoy the face I'm looking at and everyone likes different face shapes, noses, mouths, eyes, ears, everything of that nature. Even if a girl is bald, if I like her face it really does not matter the slightest bit. And the strongest feature on ANY woman for me is her lips and i can say clearly that I don't like big/full lips or wider mouths. I have a cousin that absolutely LOVES wide mouths on girls, I didn't notice this from him telling me I noticed because every girl he looks and and says he really likes has a wider mouth than most other people. THESE are the things that matter to MOST men, believe it or not. Not breast size, and even if a man ends up with a women with a different breast size than he prefers normally he learns to love them anyway. They're still breasts, and they're feminine regardless of the size. A small penis is not masculine, at all and will never be masculine. And there is my rant for now.

[Thermonuclear Warrior]

Gamma ray bursts, solar expansions, multi-dimensional rifts, and nuclear fusion are all interesting subjects. Small penis pride bro.

[Bestcobra]

There is no pride in it, there's not a single good thing about a small penis. And actually I find none of those other subjects you listed interesting at all actually, they're pretty boring to me.

[Bundy]

So, I take it you dont have any intellectual curiosity?

Mh, you got more problems than a small penis, this kind of carelessness is the cancer that kills humanity.

I always found astrophysics to be fascinating, It just teaches you how insignificant we are all. How there are daily vastly destructive cosmic events that could end this little project called civilization in a heartbeat. We just feel safe because most people cant wrap their head over this concept, but its always there.

Of course, the only reason why I even know even all this stuff is because of this whole situation. Probably wouldnt be interested in sciene and literature as much, If I wasnt stuck at home every friday and saturday night learning stuff that will never have a practical use in my lifetime, but I had to do something so I wouldnt stick a wrench in my eye socket or preferably someone else, haha.

Sometimes I do think that ignorance is bliss

[Jessie]

whilst there are some comparisons between penis and breast size they are significantly different.

smalls boobs can be sexy and fashionable

small dicks are the ultimate turn off. always have been- always will be.

major difference.

ps im afraid to say Cobra that most girls wont touch a 4.25 inch one more than once, let alone a 2 inch one. sigh

[Bundy]

small dicks are the ultimate turn off. always have been- always will be.

I'm sorry, but this is just flat out wrong. Society's perception of beauty has always vastly changed over the years. Why do you think almost all ancient greek statues show men with unusually small genitalia? Because that was the definition of beauty at the time. Or look at medieval pictures of women, usually around the renaissance age most are depicted as overweight and pale characters, again, because that was a symbol for nobility, and thus, beauty.

My guess is since the 90s came up with the advent of the internet, we small guys have been at disadvantage. That's why the users in this forum who try to cheer us up don't get it, most of them were born during a sexually completely different time, where sex had a completely different meaning. They don't even contemplate the possibility of casual sex, for them its all about "love, caring and sharing." not about status, male affiliation and just flat out hedonistic urges, they grew up in a time where hooking up and having one-night stands was regarded as detestable and morally wrong.

Shit, I remember in one of the older threads one dude said something like "I don't get where you folks meet all these discouraging women? Most people are decent." This was also the moment I made my realization about just how different our realities are.

I wish I would've had the chance to grow up during the Woodstuck era, I'm 100% I would have ended up happier than now.

[Cece.dedesl]

Cece, I completely understand the fact that some woman don't like that they have smaller breasts cause they think it matters. But women having small boobs does NOT matter at all. I am one of the very many people that actually prefer smaller breasts, my ex used to say she was "flat" when she wasn't flat at all. When someone says "flat" to me, I shouldn't be able to tell the difference in a girl from a guy aside from her face/hair. Small breasts are not "flat" they're great in my opinion along with a lot of other men. Also another reason I like them, did you know that all breasts have the same amount of nerve endings? This means bigger breasts actually feel less because they're more spread out, and smaller ones feel more, meaning more pleasure which turns me on. So women not liking their breasts being small is simply because of what they THINK society likes do to bad movies and complete dicks that only date girls because of certain features and if ANY guy is like that then they only want sex. And if all they want is sex, and women can't seem to see the guys that only want them for sex until they get to know them better and they SEEM nice. My ex hated her breasts and thought they was too small because her ex told her that, that's one persons opinion and her ex before me also forced her into doing oral anytime he wanted. That's just to show my point of the kind of people that talk down about women, men don't do that unless they're mad theirself or they're just honestly a sort of shitty person. I would NEVER break up with someone because of the size of their breasts, and I don't know a single guy that would. But I can name about 5-6 girls that I know personally that would break up with a guy for having a small dick. Not because they're "stupid bitches" as mad guys that are small would like to say. But because this day in age that's how the world works, women want the alpha male it's just how it is and how their instincts naturally are. Humans are still mammals, it's part of their nature and alpha males do not have small penises end of story. Yes, there's a lot of women that can LOOK PAST the fact that their partner has a small penis. But I don't know, have never known, and will never know of a woman that would prefer a small penis. And by small I do not mean 4 inches, I mean seriously small. Woman that ARE truly flat chested STILL get men hitting on them, flirting with them and trying to date them and you can see before even talking to a woman what her chest is like. If a man wasn't ok with it, he wouldn't talk to them so clearly he is. Women can not tell if a guy has a small dick until he either tells her, she sees it or she feels it that's it. So you HAVE to get to know guys before knowing if he has a small dick or not, and I can promise you 95% of women would not even touch a 2 inch penis a second time. Like bundy said, if you can prove that theory wrong by gathering a group of women that say they "like" small penises then by all means do it and prove us wrong. I could gather a room of 10 guys in my house tonight that all LIKE small boobs. Try finding 10 women in this country that like small penises and I would be honestly amazed. Being accepting and liking is two completely different things, so please do not compare penis size with breast size they are nowhere near the same. As I said before, if women are worried about something physically in that department that has to do with sex, they should worry about how tight they are, not their breast size. When women think of breasts being small they think of how they look, I get that part. Nobody sees a guys penis in public, but I can tell you from experience when walking in public I've actually thought to myself before "if only that women had smaller breasts" Because like I said, smaller breasts are a turn-on for me and it's my preference. I don't ask anyone to date me anymore, but I still like looking. When have you ever heard of a girl walking around and see a decent looking guy and think to herself "Damn if only that mine had a tiny dick he would be perfect" That's a joke all on it's own, if someone presented what I just said on any show, it would get a 50 million laughs cause nobody wants that. A small dick is a shame to any man and always will be, it's a direct reflection of a mans masculinity a woman's breast size is not. For me a woman's masculinity is in her face, that's it. Completely and totally in her face, yes I prefer a certain body type of course most people have a preference but as long as I like someones face, regardless of how much they weigh, how tall or short they are, their race or breast size I would date them. If I do not like someone face, then I won't date them. If I'm going to be looking into someones face every day telling them I love them, I want to enjoy the face I'm looking at and everyone likes different face shapes, noses, mouths, eyes, ears, everything of that nature. Even if a girl is bald, if I like her face it really does not matter the slightest bit. And the strongest feature on ANY woman for me is her lips and i can say clearly that I don't like big/full lips or wider mouths. I have a cousin that absolutely LOVES wide mouths on girls, I didn't notice this from him telling me I noticed because every girl he looks and and says he really likes has a wider mouth than most other people. THESE are the things that matter to MOST men, believe it or not. Not breast size, and even if a man ends up with a women with a different breast size than he prefers normally he learns to love them anyway. They're still breasts, and they're feminine regardless of the size. A small penis is not masculine, at all and will never be masculine. And there is my rant for now.

You don't have a problem with small boobs, I don't have a problem with small penises or even penises that don't work at all but that wasn't what your post was about.

You said it yourself... Your ex had a complex about her breasts because she had a ex lover who did not appreciate her breast size. Just as men have had women who do not appreciate the size of their penises.

To downplay the emotional effect that has on a woman just because you do not feel it correlates to your feelings about your penis size is narrow minded.

Guys who think women can just run out and get a quick, problem free boob job are very much misinformed. The guys who think women are not ridiculed about their breasts need to simply read your reply.

Body issues are deep rooted whether it's small breasts, small penises, big nose, ect... For you or anyone else to deem your issues are more important or more valid than anyone else's does show a lack of compassion and understanding.

I can't remember who posted the comment that men with small penises are disable like someone who lost a leg. I would love you to go to a veteran's hospital and ask the amputees if they would prefer their leg or a small penis. *rolls eyes*

It's so much easier to wallow is self pity than it is to accept yourselves and move forward. That decision is yours to make but there is no reason to disregard other's issues in the process.

[Cece.dedesl]

Bundys, I only watch amateur porn. I find professional porn to be completely unrealistic. I can guarantee you'll find plenty of average and below average men having blissfully wonderful and accepting sexual experiences.

However, most men usually want to view the perfect airbrushed, surgically modified female bodies in professional porn. You won't find much of that in amateur porn but it may help to form a more normal picture of sex and the everyday men and women who enjoy themselves regularly even though they aren't perfect.

[Bundy]

I can't remember who posted the comment that men with small penises are disable like someone who lost a leg. I would love you to go to a veteran's hospital and ask the amputees if they would prefer their leg or a small penis. *rolls eyes*

Just to make clear, I do not share this view. There are some people that are worse of than me, and enough that just have it as shitty. I would never claim to be in a worse position than someone who is actually handicapped.

About the amateur porn...well, I can only speak for myself, but I'm smaller than 95% percent of anyone even in amateur porn...so yeah. Actually, this is something that you will read by plenty of users here, how they can't even measure up in that category. And again, every video with a small guy professional or amateur has comments like "lol, what a small dick loser, she should get with a real men." or "lol, its as big as my tummy."

But I get your point, as a guy I can't really claim to know how women feel about small breasts, It just when I look at my social life I see many accepted and not ridiculed females with small breasts, while most guys with small dicks that I know are in some way social rejects, so I just assumed...

Also, just asking Cece.dedesl, but when you say "Bundys" do you actually mean all of us, as in "you Al Bundys (because some guys here are kinda misogynist) as a reference to married with children?

If that's the case, I just wanted to make clear that my name isn't based on the TV character, wouldn't want anyone here to think I hate women. If anything, I'm a misandrist *g*

[Cece.dedesl]

No one will dump a women or not have a relationship with her because she has small breast, never in my life did any friends tell me this or felt like that. All breasts are in symbols of femininity, small or big it doesn’t effect heir function. Penis on the other hand has functions which are necessary to enjoy sex for both man and female, and size is one of them. So you cant compare the two,...

I never heard a joke or some sort of “small” comparison when describing women with small breasts, because no one cares...While you hear penis jokes and smart remarks made about penis size EVERYWHERE. Like on big pop bottles where is says SIZE MATTERS or some other items, what do you think there referring to...breasts size? I don't think so.

They may not dump a woman (although i have had friends say they were dumped because if it.) but they will certainly choose not to date her because of it. At least your not pre-judged based on your penis size.

A small penis still functions just as small breasts still function. It's a matter of personal preference not functionality. It's a matter of self perception not functionality.

I've heard millions of negative comments about breasts. Size, firmness, perkiness. Flat as a pancake, her tits sagged to her knees, ect...

Larger breasts are more socially acceptable. They are viewed more feminine. Because men do not have breasts you would not be exposed to the bias out there, just as women aren't exposed to the bias you face. However, the difference is, we face the bias immediately because our breasts are on display where as your penis is not.

I've been up for promotions at work and lost them because a chesty less qualified woman was chosen. I've been talking to men and have their attention completely diverted when a full chested woman walks into the room. I've had men in my life say negative comments about my breasts and about other women's breast.

I have no desire to get into a pissing contest about who's experiences suck more. I'm just trying to explain why women find the comparison valid and perhaps get you guys to realize that we can sympathize.

[Cece.dedesl]

Sorry Bundy... My auto correct keeps adding a s. I certainly didn't mean it that way.

I watch amateur porn all the time and haven't run into any humiliation porn. I'm sure i could type it in and search it out. The site I use doesn't have comments that I am aware of.

I've run across a lot of below average guys but I'm aroused by more by the man showing his pleasure than penis size so I browse a bit. I'm sure most men are searching for an attractive woman and/or a woman showing her pleasure. So what you look for is different and you're bound to view different videos than I.

My point is there is plenty of non-humiliation porn out there which was what you challenged me to find.

[Bestcobra]

Bundy, yes I'm intellectually curious about certain things but not things I have no interest in. I'm a musician, I'm interested in what sort of music was formed in different cultures and places and I'll learn just about anything about music, but no most of the things you listed I wouldn't really care to know about. I'm interested in art and the history or art, I'm curious about a lot of things but not all the same things you or a lot of other people find interesting.

Also, you said " Why do you think almost all ancient greek statues show men with unusually small genitalia? Because that was the definition of beauty at the time." This isn't true bundy. And this "unusually small penis" you're talking about is the size, is not smaller that I have. But they didn't have statues of them that way because they considered that as beauty, they had statues of men like that cause they considered greek men back then that had very small penises to be the smartest. I know a lot about greek culture and the reasons for a lot of what they did. That's something else I'm interested in.

And cece, you said "my ex had an ex lover" He definitely wasn't a lover to the fact that he never "loved" her at all or had sex, do to the fact that she had to physically fight him off of her while getting physically abused in the process. I just said ex, I also said he forcefully made her do oral and wanted to rape her along with 2 other guys at the same time. So yes, this guy told her she had small breasts and that he didn't like them, he also told her he wishes she was asian. This is not a normal guy, he's someone that actually WOULD rape people and almost did. That's someone screwed up in the head to the point they need to be in prison. So please, don't compare this guy with other men that are normal. That would be like me comparing one prostitute to all other women. That's just wrong. I get the fact that some men are complete assholes and will make fun of women because of their body, and that's the people you SHOULD try to stay away from it's really not that hard. Maybe it seems hard cause that's the men that normally ask women out, and that's cause they don't care of they get rejected and they have no worries they'll just tell the women she's a stupid bitch and leave, normal asshole attitude.

But, women can love a man and still not want to be with him because of his penis size alone. I know this cause I've seen it happen to other people.

Also cece the challenge wasn't to find "below average" men who aren't in humiliation it was to find something with men with REALLY small penises that aren't getting humiliated. And I agree with bundy I can't find porn AT ALL that has men the same size as me, I've never been able to and I've watched a lot of porn, and no I don't watch professional porn at all. This also depends on what you consider "below average" cause I have a feeling it's a lot bigger than what I would consider below average. I have never seen a single penis as small as mine in ANY porn video, maybe a tiny bit shorter but never one that's as thin. And the only one's I've seen that was POSSIBLY a bit shorter was in humiliation videos.

And how you just assumed you did the challenge, by all means give me the link of a video that you think is demed worthy of a "small penis" in porn. Cause I can guarantee I won't consider it small which is something else, if you seem to think you've found porn with small penises that fast then that shows that you also think of "small" as larger than what we do. That also points out that you assume most men are at least that size even if they say they're small.

Also you said we don't face the biased because people in public can't see our penises and they can always see a women's chest. Well for one, if anyone COULD see our penises then I can guarantee you ever 5 mins you would have someone rolling on the floor laughing and pointing at us, actually one time in gym in 8th grade because of how guys are one of them decided to pull my shorts and underwear down in the middle of everyone. There wasn't a single person that wasn't laughing, which sure someones pants just got pulled down haha funny yea everyone laughs no matter who that happens to. But the fact that I heard 4 of the girls talking about how small I was at lunch and laughing about it behind my back didn't exactly help anything, when these were girls that was 13-14 in a private school you would assume they wouldn't be talking about that. But, they was.

And cece you talk as though no men watch amateur porn...that's the only kind I watch really. And no most men don't want to see "perfect airbrushed surgically modified" women. First off I don't know of a single guy that LIKES any surgical modifications on women especially their breasts and most of the men I know actually find it to be a turn-off. They would rather see something real, not fake.

You read my reply completely wrong btw, don't act like what I said was informing everyone of how all men are judge-mental about breasts. I was talking about one asshole that needs to be in prison and that's it. I was just trying to point out that I understand that women have insecurities because of assholes like that, not because there's anything wrong with them the way it is with men with small penises.

And also you said I don't "have a problem" with small boobs. Again you're changing what I said, I said I LIKE small boobs there's a huge difference. You said you don't "have a problem" with penises. This is the thing, would you rather someone accept your body how it is or like it? Of course, you want someone that thinks your fucking sexy and wants to jump on you when it's time, everyone does. But my point is that no woman WANTS a small penis. It's not the fact that they can learn to deal with it and look past it, I know people can accept it. People can accept anything if they just put it past their mind but that doesn't mean they like something.

Also, I don't "downplay" the effect anything has on a women I always comforted my ex and listened to anything she told me and tried my best to understand when she would tell me things about her thinking her chest wasn't good enough. But I also liked her chest and told her I did and told her I wouldn't want her to ever change that about herself.

[Cece.dedesl]

Best Cobra,

My position on this subject seems to be beyond your grasp of understanding.

You have said repeatedly small breasts DON'T MATTER, how would you feel if people told you your small penis DOESN'T MATTER?

It DOES matter to you, just as small breasts matters to a woman who feels inadequate because of her breasts.

Small breasts and small penises are comparable simply based on the fact that those who feel inadequate, disadvantaged, and unhappy with their perceived flaws share the same emotional turmoil.

Going through life thinking no one has it as bad as you, no one else's problems can compare is a dangerous slope.

A man doesn't have to be an abuser or a rapist to make derogatory comments about a woman's breasts. Hell, even saying it in joking fashion can hurt a woman's feelings just as small penis jokes hurt yours.

As far as the porn goes, I didn't quickly run out a find anything. Bundy stated there was no porn with small penises that was not humiliation based. I pointed out that is untrue based on my personal experiences. Considering my ex husband was 4.5" in length and 2" in girth, I think I can recognize below average penises.

You seem to imply that simply because YOU like small breasts, that YOU don't like surgically altered women, that YOU like amateur porn that YOU speak for all men out there. That YOUR preferences are the majority.

Everybody is different, everybody has their own preferences. I know there are plenty of men who would agree with you but I also know there are just as many who wouldn't and others who would have completely different point of views.

[Cece.dedesl]

I do want to add, I find it admirable that you supported your girlfriend but regardless of that support by posting this topic you are downplaying not only her feelings but others who have felt inadequate about their bodies.

[Wastedlife]

Small breasts and small penises are comparable simply based on the fact that those who feel inadequate, disadvantaged, and unhappy with their perceived flaws share the same emotional turmoil

They only way you could compare breasts to penis is if breasts job was to insert them into mans anus, and men could complain that “sorry but I don't feel anything because your breasts are to small, I love you but sex is very important to me and its just something I cant over look. I have to move on”. Worst case scenario you're looking at as women with small breasts is that men will simply be polite to you and move on or not show any interest (and those man must have very severe breast fetish of some sort). Never in my life did I hear man joke about women with small breasts...i really don't know where women get their insecurities from...jokes about pathetic “small dicks” on the other hand are routine in TV and almost everywhere else.

[Cece.dedesl]

Of course, how could I be so naive to think that there is nothing more to sex than the almighty penis.

The value a woman places in her breasts or the feelings of inadequacy, feeling unattractive and undesirable they don't matter because she doesn't insert her breasts anything.

There are numerous ways to bring your partner to orgasm, the almighty penis isn't the god of the bedroom. As soon as you guys realize that, the happier you'll be. If you spent even 25% of the time you spend focused on your penis and focused on your partner you could make any woman satisfied.

Any person, male or female who feels uncomfortable about their bodies will have issues with intimacy. Do you know how hard it is for a woman to relax and enjoy sex when she feels uncomfortable being naked?

Just because you haven't heard anything negative said about a woman's breasts, certainly doesn't mean it isn't being said. You say comments about small penises are constant. I don't hear small penis references often at all. Does that mean it's not being said? Or does it mean that we tend to hear and focus on comments made in poor taste more often when we can personally relate to what is being said?