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19 hours ago, Klingpeach said:

To my knowledge Marxism itself makes no mention of sexual relations in explicit terms. Communism is not a liberal system. In actual practice, it resembles Puritanism more than anything, at least regarding social morals. It claimed to be a reaction against Bourgeois decadence, which included sexual liberation and feminism.

That would mean, I think, that the current campus radicalism is"bourgeoise" by Marx's standards, not real communism.  Clever de-fanging of communism by the ruling class?

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50 minutes ago, smallguy said:

Have you considered that maybe there is a mismatch between your hormonal status and your penis size?  That is, maybe you have high masculinity due to genetics and hormones, but are unable to exercise those potentials because of a small penis categorizing you low in the socio-sexual hierarchy in the minds of others?

Yes I have and that’s a good way of putting it.

45 minutes ago, smallguy said:

That would mean, I think, that the current campus radicalism is"bourgeoise" by Marx's standards, not real communism.  Clever de-fanging of communism by the ruling class?

I don’t know. Economics is second only to team sports in the list of things I find excruciatingly boring. Socialism only interests me to the extent of questions regarding private property and individual rights because I generally can’t stand people or dealing with the public. Marxism-Leninism is a hydra that employs dialectical thinking so a straightforward analysis is difficult in any event and impossible in an online forum discussion. I didn’t intend to open this line of conversation although I probably should have foreseen it. I merely made the comment as hyperbole to make a point.

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1 hour ago, smallguy said:

That seems to be an extreme reaction.  I feel depressed or extremely discouraged, not angry when confronted with said realities.  That can morph into accepting my place if the alpha seems moral in his exercise of power or status.

Have you considered that maybe there is a mismatch between your hormonal status and your penis size?  That is, maybe you have high masculinity due to genetics and hormones, but are unable to exercise those potentials because of a small penis categorizing you low in the socio-sexual hierarchy in the minds of others?

Interesting.  I was naturally low masculinity and very non-assertive, but my parents exerted pretty extreme pressure to be highly competitive and active in sports.  I easily accepted "my place" unless the alphas were especially mean.  I pretended to have an attitude and ready to fight so things didn't get out of hand.  Fortunately, I was small only in the nether region so I was able to get away, for the most part, with the bluff.

Interesting variations.

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1 hour ago, Klingpeach said:

I don’t know. Economics is second only to team sports in the list of things I find excruciatingly boring. Socialism only interests me to the extent of questions regarding private property and individual rights because I generally can’t stand people or dealing with the public. 

Because I was victimized  so badly by the HS elite, I have been obsessed with how power works in society at large.  Are all elites like the ones that abused me?  There are many other obsessions I have developed as well--severe abuse tends to define your life--probably not just in my case. 

If socialism means a safety net, I have no problem with it.  However top down control with no private property or individual rights or my freedom to find a niche would be a disaster.

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23 hours ago, Klingpeach said:

Lol @divorced I knew it. Out of everything I wrote last night that’s the one that caught your attention. Because it would mean in practice women would not have access to big cock anymore. 

I gave-up on the sexually competitive usually usually large penis crowd and finally married a near virgin with a small penis. 

Didn't turn-out well as he was more mentally damaged than I imagined or he let on. 

However, I was ready to and did forgo access "to big cock" for over 20 years.   I am very orgasmic, however, and didn't feel the need to have peak sex experiences.  I was satisfied with "good enough" sex as long as family life was good.

Big cock sex can't be eliminated anyway without genetic engineering of the whole population!  High masculinity would have to go too, in my opinion.  I assume you are not serious about that, but only making a hypothetical point.  Interesting that in Brave New World, alphas continued to be "hatched" as well as subservient classes.  Why not genetic engineering equality?

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@divorced for the most part I am indifferent to politics. I’m too jaded and cynical to believe any of it makes much difference. I don’t really care who’s running the carnival as long as I have personal access to quiet and solitude. 

When I was younger, I was full of a lot of rage, and I was a firm advocate of eugenics and euthanasia centers like in soylent green. To an extent I still am, not so much out of anger, but out of mercy for people like me who are destined for nothing but loserdom in the world. Some people don’t belong in this life and it’s apparent from grade school. It would be a mercy to kill them in the womb. However, this brings up another point I’ve spoken about, which is namely the necessity of losers for the winners. The two compliment each other and the polarity requires both terms. You see this on display with “conservatives” who will scream about abortion then ridicule and relentlessly make fun of the less fortunate. 

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12 minutes ago, Klingpeach said:

You see this on display with “conservatives” who will scream about abortion then ridicule and relentlessly make fun of the less fortunate. 

I know many conservatives.  I can't recall any time any of them "made fun" of the less fortunate.  More like everyone needs some survival pressure for motivation and be discouraged jumping into the safety net.  Conservatives appear to me, even at close range, to be "goody two shoes."

You might be confusing alpha thugs with conservatives.  Usually fairly weak betas or deltas consoling themselves with religion.

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There are some important distinctions to unpack in this which I’m not comfortable discussing openly for privacy reasons and also because it generates a lot of emotional discussion. I promised the moderators a few years ago I wouldn’t cause any more problems here. If this has any interest to you or you have questions PM me, otherwise I’m probably going to take a hiatus from here. Take care.

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3 hours ago, Steve Ormsby said:

I think women with small tits or a physical disability would be less concerned about the size of a penis and just be grateful to have a man. I think women like that can be sexy.

I think you are correct!

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I don't agree with that at all. Well as far as the small tits go. I don't think most guys give a shit about that. It depends on how good looking she is overall. Most of these models that movie stars seem to want to have hanging on their arms have very small tits or no tits at all in some cases. Obviously having small tits does effect some women more than others just like having a small dick effects guys differently but even women who do feel self conscious about their breasts aren't going to seek out a guy with a small penis. If they happen to end up with a guy with a small one then they might be a bit more willing to accept it. I just think that kind of acceptance has more to do with a woman's own sense of how important sex is to her. Does his inability to provide X amount of sexual pleasure override all his other qualities. I've never noticed women with small tits having trouble getting a man.

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7 hours ago, divorced said:

If socialism means a safety net, I have no problem with it.  However top down control with no private property or individual rights or my freedom to find a niche would be a disaster. 

We have that in Denmark we are not afraid to use the "s word". There are downsides to it though. very high taxes removing the incentive to work.
A single mom with one child gets a 2.200 USD social welfare check every month for instance

The most right wing parties we have would on a right-left scale be equivalent to your democratic party. We only have one declared liberal party, and it's a small party.
The rest of them (the biggest ones and the ones in power right now) are social-liberal parties adhering to Keynesian economics.

Your own Bernie Sanders likes to refer to Denmark as an ideal-state. we have an election coming up and the socialist party is going to win.

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16 minutes ago, TheDane said:

Your own Bernie Sanders likes to refer to Denmark as an ideal-state. we have an election coming up and the socialist party is going to win.

Yeah, but you still have capitalist production by and large, don't you?  Real socialism embraces state enterprise across the board.  

I don't think our social welfare checks are much smaller though it is hard to compare.  

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Are you really doubting that??? :) Yes Denmark is close to the east-block but obviously a capitalist economy.
Does real socialist/communist states actually exist in the world today? Maybe Cuba

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8 minutes ago, divorced said:

I don't think our social welfare checks are much smaller though it is hard to compare.  

Why the hell are our taxes so high then....is it only to fund the health care system?

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2 hours ago, TheDane said:

Why the hell are our taxes so high then....is it only to fund the health care system?

most likely.

the USA has a safety net.  All you have to do is show up at the hospital, but you will lose most of your assets if you can't pay the bill.  Then you go on Medicaid, medical welfare.  Obama care health insurance was too expensive with huge deductibles.  Worthless.  Becoming a dead letter.

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13 hours ago, Steve Ormsby said:

I think women with small tits or a physical disability would be less concerned about the size of a penis and just be grateful to have a man. I think women like that can be sexy.

I think they have to be shy or socially inept, but small tits, homely face and other physical disabilities wouldn't hurt.

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15 hours ago, lbaker said:

Interesting.  I was naturally low masculinity and very non-assertive, but my parents exerted pretty extreme pressure to be highly competitive and active in sports.  I easily accepted "my place" unless the alphas were especially mean.  I pretended to have an attitude and ready to fight so things didn't get out of hand.  Fortunately, I was small only in the nether region so I was able to get away, for the most part, with the bluff.

Interesting variations.

I was similar minus the pressure to be competitive.  I was systematically put down by my parents for disappointing them.  They never mentioned my genitals, but probably lamented behind my back to each other.

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14 hours ago, Steve Ormsby said:

I think women with small tits or a physical disability would be less concerned about the size of a penis and just be grateful to have a man. I think women like that can be sexy.

a lot of guys seem to look past this issue. A LOT and I mean a LOT of girls/women go through a bad time in their lives due to their lack of chest cuppage. I've even known girls who were bullied pretty heavily in highschool because of such issues and ended up with emotional scars. Its nothing to play with. They have the advantage of being able to correct it more effectivley surgically of course with the OP way cheaper and less complicated for that matter but I guess the downer is its hard to pretend they are real but this is basically on par with our penis size paranoia.

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2 hours ago, smallguy said:
  15 hours ago, Steve Ormsby said:

I think women with small tits or a physical disability would be less concerned about the size of a penis and just be grateful to have a man. I think women like that can be sexy.

So go for the ugly girls? That is out only chance

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3 hours ago, John's Know said:

Women with small tits or who have a physical disability are not necessarily ugly. I know plenty of women who have small tits and are gorgeous.

Yes, of course, but we are talking about men who are handicapped by a small penis, or think they are, and who they should set their sights upon for marriage or a partner?   To me it is strange that many small guys complain about how impaired they are but never consider settling for less than an ideal partner.

Of course, a less than ideal relationship results, too.  Mutual lack of respect is not a firm basis for a relationship unless tempered with acceptance and sincere mutual sympathy.  Mutual pretending you are both of higher status than you are doesn't work well.  I recall my first wife being shocked at company functions when she perceived the men I worked with didn't respect me much.  She had imagined my flaws were our "personal secret."

The 1st really sexual relationship I had was unstable in this way.  The woman was older than me, a single mom, somewhat overweight and her breasts, though large, hung very low with stretch marks as did her belly and ass.  She liked to show me pictures of how hot she used to look when she was young, hour glass figure, breast jutting, pretty face, etc.  I was still young and boyish looking.  Some of her old friends stopped by and commented on how often the 2 of us were together.  They said, apparently sincerely, "He must have a big cock."  She laughed and blurted out, "He (me) doesn't have no big cock," with a big smile.  Then she said, "Oh, I'm sorry," to me, covering her mouth, and everybody laughed.  I tried to laugh, but couldn't.

Until then, I didn't realize how mutual our lack of respect was.  She knew I was sexually inexperience and that was part of our relationship.  She was the teacher and leader in sex.  She enjoyed my young boyish fit body.  She claimed she would "cum" on my penis, but I never really believed or felt it.  She introduced me to serving her orally which I did enjoy because she had clear orgasms that way.

After that episode with her friends things I had rationalized away came back to me.  Early on she had asked if I was gay, saying it's OK to be gay.  Periodically, she would put gay porn on her TV with the VCR and try to get me interested.  When the action got hot she would reach over and see it I got a hard-on (I didn't).  A couple times when pretty drunk she said she would like to see me suck cock or get fucked.  She always talked to me against big cocks as painful or too much effort.  I was always skeptical of that talk, but now I knew she was patronizing.  Her friends had made it clear she had a reputation for enjoying big cocks.  I had tried to rationalize away her gay references as her personal fetish, but now I could see she thought I was a little dick gay sissy boy. 

She wasn't totally wrong about that, I guess, given that gay guys used to hit on me pretty regularly.  When we were out she would point-out guys that she alleged liked to have their cocks sucked by "young guys" and try to introduce us.  She asked me to buy her a realistic penis dildo.  I got a moderately thick 7 or 8 inch one.  She thought it was really funny that it was so big and sent me back for a smaller one.  She said she would give the big one to friends who like big cocks.

 

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2 hours ago, smallguy said:

Yes, of course, but we are talking about men who are handicapped by a small penis, or think they are, and who they should set their sights upon for marriage or a partner?   To me it is strange that many small guys complain about how impaired they are but never consider settling for less than an ideal partner.

Of course, a less than ideal relationship results, too.  Mutual lack of respect is not a firm basis for a relationship unless tempered with acceptance and sincere mutual sympathy.

Honesty and openness was missing from what you described.  I'm now convinced that all relationships to be good must include total honesty about flaws as well as virtues.

You probably wouldn't have got involved with the woman if she said she thought you were a sissy boy directly.  But, maybe she thought you would "get it".  She might not have known how deep in denial you were about the image you projected at first.

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3 hours ago, divorced said:

Honesty and openness was missing from what you described.  I'm now convinced that all relationships to be good must include total honesty about flaws as well as virtues.

You probably wouldn't have got involved with the woman if she said she thought you were a sissy boy directly.  But, maybe she thought you would "get it".  She might not have known how deep in denial you were about the image you projected at first.

Yeah, I didn't get around to mentioning she was right.  

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3 minutes ago, smallguy said:

Yeah, I didn't get around to mentioning she was right.  

Woops.  Sorry, I didn't mean to make assumptions, but I guess you are peace now about it.

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On 4/26/2019 at 10:11 AM, divorced said:

Woops.  Sorry, I didn't mean to make assumptions, but I guess you are peace now about it.

I'm not really at peace with, but I appreciated your honesty.  Still painful to hear.

It was decades later that I actually experimented with my submissive gay side.

I often think about what might have happened if I followed her "advice" back then.

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