Small Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I wasn't addressing the determinism situation. My post was regarding Innate & Manufactured sexual behavior. As for liking/satisfying innate sexual desires, as frustrating as it may be, it's a far cry from manufacturing elaborate sexual constructs that are also difficult to satisfy as well as being baseless. It's healthier to accept your natural (innate and early conditioned) desires and experiencing frustration than disregreding or supressing those desires and manufacturing socially desirable ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 i wasn't talking about determinism (per se) either. just that we have no actual control over what our innate desires are, what our manufactured desires are, or whether or not they're addressed. we, unfortunates (when our desires, innate or manufactured, are not met) are screwed in all cases. e.g. an innately straight male who simply can't actualize that for some reason (such as ugliness, disability, really small penis, etc.). another problem is when someone clearly has unnatural innate desires (e.g. a submissive male, cuckoldry, humiliation, bondage, masochism, etc.). such a person is also screwed no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Small Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Sexual desires are probably 100% determined or thereabouts. Most desires are, but it can be confusing as to what's natural and what isn't. I still assert that we have some level of choice in general behaviour thanks to the unconditionable egos. You don't agree and that's fine. Just my take on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 30 minutes ago, Small said: Sexual desires are probably 100% determined or thereabouts. Most desires are, but it can be confusing as to what's natural and what isn't. I still assert that we have some level of choice in general behaviour thanks to the unconditionable egos. You don't agree and that's fine. Just my take on it. so you agree with me that we're screwed? about the ego, it's ok to disagree but you know that saying that something is not preconditioned necessarily makes it exempt from cause and effect (so as to exist in some sort of bubble or vacuum), which is not only physically impossible, but logically as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 what's the good news, klingcorn? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Small Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 9 hours ago, RogerJay said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Small Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I still haven't got the hang of this. Anyway welcome back Roger I hope you hang around for a while. No problem Klingsor, I don't like getting into these discussions myself since our views are generally so different. Hope the vindication has brought you some peace. And Resolute, hope my posts to you didn't come across as rude. I was speaking candidly and probably out of line. Idk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Small Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Yeah I feel you. Start your own thread and talk about things that matter to you? Idk. Anyway, see you around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Small Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Yeah I'm in the same boat. Sort of reminiscent of the third variable stuff you and I discussed. Good times eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Small Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Resolute. My belief in free will isn't the same as the average man on the street. I think it's very limited and having free will doesn't mean people assume complete responsibility for their situations. Some of us have it rough regardless. I do respect you a lot man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victimorthecrime Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 I think free will is regulated by one's intelligence. The guys from say the Paypal mafia are going to see a lot more options when they look at their life than the average Joe on the street. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Small Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Victim, I suppose intelligence can play a role. I do understand my own psyche, and I can tell that my ego is unconditioned. It's weaker than the rest, but it gives me the ability to shuffle through my options and make rational decisions in the face of impulsive wants & needs. These options though, are generally preset or based on past decisions so they vary greatly between individuals. Where a stud may be weighing up his choice of brunette I might be weighing up my masterbatory menu. Some people accept free will and others do not. We can argue endlessly but when I look deep within myself I see the ability to choose. I honestly thought that by substantiating that the ego is unconditioned because of it's relative weakness it would provide some scope for the basis of choice. I suppose though in some cases, philosophy outweighs esoteric psychology. I respect everyone's opinion but I'll be dammed if I neglect this mechanism simply because other people don't buy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 6 hours ago, Klingcorn said: It's personal and wouldn't mean anything to you or anyone else. I was vindicated over something that happened years ago. just because it's personal, doesn't mean it won't matter to us. heck, everything that happens to any of us is personal, but we're still happy for that person if it's good news. anyway, i'm glad about your vindication, klingcorn. that name still makes me laugh lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 6 hours ago, Small said: And Resolute, hope my posts to you didn't come across as rude. I was speaking candidly and probably out of line. Idk. no, man, i don't mind. as you said, we were being candid, not disrespectful. 1 hour ago, Small said: Some people accept free will and others do not. We can argue endlessly but when I look deep within myself I see the ability to choose. I honestly thought that by substantiating that the ego is unconditioned because of it's relative weakness it would provide some scope for the basis of choice. I suppose though in some cases, philosophy outweighs esoteric psychology. I respect everyone's opinion but I'll be dammed if I neglect this mechanism simply because other people don't buy it. this, however, cuts me deeply . Small 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 10 hours ago, Klingcorn said: I had some really good news today, better than I've had in 10 years have either of you noticed that somewhat significant things are happening for the three of us (small, kling and myself) at around the same time (within months of each other)? i hope it all works out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Small Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 Yeah it's like we're somehow connected dun dun dun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 ya, dun dun dun lol. btw, i don't think you answered this: 18 hours ago, Resolute said: @Small, when i talked about being a sex god who does almost nothing but bang hotties, i was talking more along the lines of fantasy, like in an afterlife or some such. if i'm to apply my desires to this world realistically, i'd say that i'd still wanna be irresistible to women and sleep with many beauties, but not 24/7. it would take up a part (albeit a big one) of my life, not all of it. i'd still wanna pursue other things, and i'd have the motivation to do so. will that kind of thinking also cause me to self-destruct if i suddenly became irresistible to women? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted March 9, 2016 Report Share Posted March 9, 2016 also, how do you know that my overwhelming desire to be irresistible is manufactured and not innate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Small Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 There are about 5 gives but I can't be arsed to get into them. Uhm, imo still self destructive. Just my opinion man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 4 hours ago, Small said: There are about 5 gives but I can't be arsed to get into them. Uhm, imo still self destructive. Just my opinion man. dammit! i knew i should of taken that "interrogation techniques" class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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