New age bionic plaque

[geronimo 83]

No, but hope to get vaccinated soon as there are centres set up around.

Yes, there is a new variant - they are hopeful the vaccine will deal with it - it is a worrying time, the health service is struggling with the extra covid cases.

Hope you are ok Vic.

[Wayless 130]

I'm not anxious to test a "warp speed" approved vaccine!  Especially one based on mRNA technology NEVER approved before.  This, especially, when the death rate is so low COVID-19, approximately that of the flu.  Being old, I am in a high risk group.  But I am also in the high risk group for flu death and many other things including vaccinations!

[geronimo 83]

Everyone has to make their own decision I guess. I also am in a risk group.

There is the danger of long covid as well.

It all depends how much faith you have in the science, scientists and regulators.

 

[IrmaJean 2,153]

My husband and I are eligible for the vaccine now, but it is extremely difficult to find an open appointment anywhere. The supply is very limited, apparently. My eyes and ears are open. I would gladly give my spot up for my girls, if I could. I'm hoping they will be eligible soon as well. We are waiting and trying to stay safe in the meantime.

[Wayless 130]

On 1/14/2021 at 11:37 AM, uptight outasight said:

I'm not anxious to test a "warp speed" approved vaccine!  Especially one based on mRNA technology NEVER approved before.  This, especially, when the death rate is so low COVID-19, approximately that of the flu.  Being old, I am in a high risk group.  But I am also in the high risk group for flu death and many other things including vaccinations!

Here's another point:  Pfizor according to some things I read identified itself as a "gene therapy" company, not a vaccine manufacturer.  Vaccine brings its product under the zero liability law for vaccines signed by Ronald Reagan.  If I'm dubious about a program rushed at warp speed by Donald Trump and relieved of liability for damage by Ronald Reagan, why are more left-leaning folks showing no trepidation about an mRNA vaccine or gene therapy shot?

Its not like there's never been vaccine disasters before.  1976 took the cake.  Left complains about GMO food, but not GMO vaccines?  Monsanto bad, Big Pharma good?

[Victimorthecrime 2,036]

@geronimo sorry to hear that you are in a risk group. Hope things go really really well for all of us.  

[Wayless 130]

On 1/14/2021 at 4:00 PM, geronimo said:

It all depends how much faith you have in the science, scientists and regulators.

Scientists working for Big Pharma are not necessarily honest.  Very big sums of money are involved.  I have faith in science, but not scientists, especially if they have conflicts of interest due to salary, bribes, threats, pressure, etc.  Everyone should listen to Robert Kennedy Jr's U-tube videos on vaccine safety. . .the science Big Pharma suppresses.

[Victimorthecrime 2,036]

@uptight outasight - do you believe that at some point the vaccine will be mandatory?  Just curious of your opinion if you care to say.  

[geronimo 83]

9 hours ago, uptight outasight said:

Here's another point:  Pfizor according to some things I read identified itself as a "gene therapy" company, not a vaccine manufacturer.  Vaccine brings its product under the zero liability law for vaccines signed by Ronald Reagan.  If I'm dubious about a program rushed at warp speed by Donald Trump and relieved of liability for damage by Ronald Reagan, why are more left-leaning folks showing no trepidation about an mRNA vaccine or gene therapy shot?

Its not like there's never been vaccine disasters before.  1976 took the cake.  Left complains about GMO food, but not GMO vaccines?  Monsanto bad, Big Pharma good?

Thing is, they cannot spend 10 years approving a vaccine as we need it much more quickly than that. Also 1976 was quite some time ago, science has moved on since then.

Just presenting another view, uptight.

[geronimo 83]

Also the Queen and Prince Philip have had the vaccine so it must be alright 😝

Apparently the Oxford/ Astrazeneca one according to reports but it could be the Pfizer, they probably wouldn't really reveal that.

But if you are already in your 90's, the balance of risk surely favours a punt on the vaccine!

[Wayless 130]

Obviously, the Queen and Prince Philip would engage in any publicity stunt if they were convinced by experts it was for the public good.  If any people could avoid social contact systematically, it would be them.  Clearly, avoiding the virus would be the safest course for them.  We'll never know if they actually got the vaccine nor which one.  They probably own stock in Big Pharma, too, possibly controlling interests!

It was not for nothing that after the the 1976 disaster that the vaccine industry was eventually relieved of its liability for death, paralysis and injury which continue at disturbing rates.  Watch Robert Kennedy Jr's video if you dare.  He is not a crank anti "vaxxer".  His debate with Alan Dershowitz on the issue is especially illuminating.  There is no reason to think vaccines are safer now as Big Pharma has no incentive to make them safer.  The regulators were captured by Big Pharma long ago.

Actually, contrary to Big Pharma which reaps billions on vaccines, the death rate from Covid is no worse than the flu.  There is actually "no rush".  Trump forced "warp speed" through to fight business lock downs, both absurd policies.  Any pneumonia in which the PCR test finds a trace of COVID is called a Covid death though other factors might be the real cause.

People die of pneumonia all the time caused by flu, colds, bacteria, etc.  I almost died from it in 2018 even though I had a flu and pneumonia vaccine that year!   I let a 103 fever go for 3 days, delirious at home. . .not a good idea.

Luckily, the pneumonia involved a bacteria that responded to IV anti-biotics.  Oddly, the Drs mentioned they seldom know the real cause stating the bacteria might have been a secondary infection after a virus "opened the door."  They suspected Legionaires but tests didn't prove it.

 

 

[Wayless 130]

Deaths in Norway from Vaccine?

[Wayless 130]

 

14 hours ago, Victimorthecrime said:

@uptight outasight - do you believe that at some point the vaccine will be mandatory?  Just curious of your opinion if you care to say.  

Probably not mandatory, but you won't be allowed in work places, public transportation, concerts, etc. without it.

[Wayless 130]

Robert Kennedy Jr vs Alan Dershowitz Debate

[Victimorthecrime 2,036]

3 hours ago, uptight outasight said:

 

Probably not mandatory, but you won't be allowed in work places, public transportation, concerts, etc. without it.

Ok thanks. So about as close to mandatory as you can get w/o actually labeling it as such. 
 

 

[geronimo 83]

4 hours ago, uptight outasight said:

Deaths in Norway from Vaccine?

Yes, I noticed that report yesterday - obviously investigation will be needed to determine what happened there.

I have read that in a couple of articles for example that the Pfizer and Moderna jabs can cause allergic reactions in those who are susceptible to that sort of thing.

The Oxford vaccine is made a bit differently to those two.

People have to make their own mind up - but many have had the vaccine with no particular probs so far.

 

 

[geronimo 83]

I don't think pharma companies should get a 'get out of jail free' card with regard to vaccines and their effects though,  either, that is not right/ethical, it's wrong.

[Victimorthecrime 2,036]

@geronimo the problem is w/o the “get out of jail free” card it’s unlikely we would have any vaccine at all this soon. I am not defending the pharmaceutical industry, just stating the fact.  Difficult situations rarely leave easy choices.

[geronimo 83]

Yeah, I suppose accurate information and reporting of side effects is the important thing, to help with decision making.

[Daveuk 299]

The vaccine has not reached the UK yet. We are In the 2nd lockdown. Tho Hollywood arnt slow on doing movies or parodies of covid 

 

Last year 

Corona zombies. Yes this movie was done in a day 

Death to 2020 on Netflix

Songbird out now on Netflix about lockdown and covid 23 

[Victimorthecrime 2,036]

Hi @Daveuk!  Glad you still walk amongst the living and are enjoying your movies 😊

 

[Victimorthecrime 2,036]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/21/glastonbury-2021-officially-cancelled-due-to-covid-pandemic
 

2021 Glastonbury Music Festival cancelled in UK ☹️

[Klingsor 687]

Does anyone have advice on whether to get the moderna or Pfizer vaccine? 

P.S. I’m asking because of my mother who is required to take the vaccine and I’m worried about her getting it...don’t worry it’s not for me, so feel free to offer advice since it’s not going to go toward prolonging my life...I know several here will rejoice when I finally croak. 

[Wayless 130]

I think Hank Aaron who died 18 days after taking the vaccine took the Moderna.  Check for yourself, however.

Moderate to severe reactions are common for both, though, I do believe:

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Hank Aaron

[geronimo 83]

20 hours ago, imgone said:

Does anyone have advice on whether to get the moderna or Pfizer vaccine? 

P.S. I’m asking because of my mother who is required to take the vaccine and I’m worried about her getting it...don’t worry it’s not for me, so feel free to offer advice since it’s not going to go toward prolonging my life...I know several here will rejoice when I finally croak. 

I know of a couple of people who have had the Pfizer one (first dose so far) with no prob other than a slightly sore arm. I have read reports that neither of those vaccines are particularly suitable for extreme allergy suffers too.

Hopefully her doc could give accurate advice based her exact circumstances?

My mum is over 80 and is due to have the vaccine on Friday - obviously there is hesitancy and worry in a sense but also there is with the risk of covid, it is all a balance.

How likely is it that your mum will be potentially exposed to covid? 

Sending best wishes x have a read of the science and reports about both vaccines, it may help clarify for you.