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I saw the same show. just another typical off the cuff remark deriding small cocks. I hope your brother is found safe and well. I too caught a couple of episodes of Hung, just a load of hyped crap.

I understand from your othe posts, that your brother has MP. All YOU can do is be there for him, I dont know what you can possibibly say to him. It's his own hell. You have probably had a 1001 conversations with him trying to reassure him etc. But I tell you it will not help him.

With my own depression, there is an element of masochism, in that I sometimes think I actually like being this miserable in some way. In 30 years I have only discussed my size with two people, and I made thier lives miserable just because I could. Once you indulge them/me with sympathy you open a pandora's box. Could it be time for some tough love?

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Robyn, I'm sorry to hear about your brother and I hope that you find him soon. I would recommend, as ND suggested, being there for him, as well as supporting him and showing him that he is loved and accepted. It's unfortunate when television programs make the point of saying hurtful things such as this.

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I can't even begin to tell you how many forums and threads like that I've found over the past few years. It's a staggering number. The women on those forums aren't deliberately trying to hurt us. They're just being honest.

They're being insensitive. I know there have to be many more women out there like me, who honestly really do not care about this one way or the other.

It might also be that these particular women have bought into the bad messages that television shows such as this give out.

Recluse, if I were dating someone who had any concerns about their size, I certainly would never be talking to friends about such a personal and sensitive thing. That type of behavior speaks to her insensitivity and her lack of respect for your dignity and privacy. Not good traits in my opinion. And if any particular woman is berating such a personal thing about you, I would look for a different woman to date.

They don't say those things to be hurtful. They don't even see them as being hurtful.

Again, very insensitive. Deriding anyone about something they might take personally is very hurtful. If they can't see that, then it speaks to their issues and not yours.

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They're being insensitive. I know there have to be many more women out there like me, who honestly really do not care about this one way or the other.

It might also be that these particular women have bought into the bad messages that television shows such as this give out.

Recluse, if I were dating someone who had any concerns about their size, I certainly would never be talking to friends about such a personal and sensitive thing. That type of behavior speaks to her insensitivity and her lack of respect for your dignity and privacy. Not good traits in my opinion. And if any particular woman is berating such a personal thing about you, I would look for a different woman to date.

Again, very insensitive. Deriding anyone about something they might take personally is very hurtful. If they can't see that, then it speaks to their issues and not yours.

Irma, you are right, the women who guys like us date, who then go on to tell our friends, their friends and anybody else who will listen about our size, are generally nasty people with thier own issues. But knowing that, makes absolutely no difference to us. Because once they tell everyone, the damage is done. So once we overcome our own fears, we then have to suffer knowing that every woman we do sleep with has the power to ruin our lives further. Dating for us, is russian roulette.

Unlike LL and Recluse, I have had some positive expierences with women sexually, and I know that thier size issues matter more to them, than matters to most women. But nothiing I can say will make those two think any different because it is outside their expeirence, which is backed up by internet chat, facts, etc. My expeirence is contrary to the facts, I can make women happy sexually. But what none of us can ever do, average guys or large guys or small guys is be sure that a woman will keep her mouth shut.

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I'm sure this has been pointed out before, but if so it bears repeating.

All these millions of chats and forums you've all found and shared with the women in them that complain are a self-selected group: the group of women who have a dislike of small penises and want to talk about it for whatever reason (and other women who don't feel so strongly but say bad stuff anyway out of peer pressure). The women who don't care so much have no bee in their bonnet to discuss the issue, so they don't, and they are therefore invisible. In other words it's not a good idea to generalize from the forums to the population of women at large. the ratio of people who care about the issue vs. don't is not going to be the same.

Separately, another key issue here has to do with the generalized need to be acceptable socially. It's not possible to be accepted by everyone in the world. So - under the circumstances, how many women would have to accept you before you felt adequate? And how would you trust that they were not faking their acceptance?

Many people have a great deal of difficult with the concept of "enough". They think they will be happy if they can just get enough acceptance or enough wealth or enough sex or enough something, but then, when push comes to shove, it's never enough and they are always left craving more and feeling empty. That particular issue is best dealt with via contemplative interventions and practices such as psychotherapy and meditation.

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I'm sure this has been pointed out before, but if so it bears repeating.

All these millions of chats and forums you've all found and shared with the women in them that complain are a self-selected group: the group of women who have a dislike of small penises and want to talk about it for whatever reason (and other women who don't feel so strongly but say bad stuff anyway out of peer pressure). The women who don't care so much have no bee in their bonnet to discuss the issue, so they don't, and they are therefore invisible. In other words it's not a good idea to generalize from the forums to the population of women at large. the ratio of people who care about the issue vs. don't is not going to be the same.

Separately, another key issue here has to do with the generalized need to be acceptable socially. It's not possible to be accepted by everyone in the world. So - under the circumstances, how many women would have to accept you before you felt adequate? And how would you trust that they were not faking their acceptance?

Many people have a great deal of difficult with the concept of "enough". They think they will be happy if they can just get enough acceptance or enough wealth or enough sex or enough something, but then, when push comes to shove, it's never enough and they are always left craving more and feeling empty. That particular issue is best dealt with via contemplative interventions and practices such as psychotherapy and meditation.

Hi Mark, Thanks for your post.

I agree with your 1st point you make. Of the women who do express a negative reaction, many will be younger women responding to peer pressure, media influences etc with out actually having any real world expeirences. Some of those women will just be nasty and have thier own reasons etc.

There are women out there who have had expeirence of small men, who do express a genuine dislike for the smaller man. My conclussion is, some care, some dont. A small penis is a bigger problem for us, than it is to women. So therefore we small men have a problem of perspective.

Your 2nd point I feel is to generalised. It is not about how many women need to accept us socially, but the fact that it only requires one to exspose us to our social circle as small men. How do you suggest that once exposed to our peer groups as small impotent men we deal with the resulting riducule and humilliation?

The stock answer of "those people are not really your freinds" and "they're the ones with issues of thier own" etc are worthless statements. As separating ourselves from that circle and creating a new life is only a tempory solution, because as soon as you sleep with a women in the new circle you are back to square one again. I have rebuilt my life twice, each time pointless.

Robin, Glad to hear your bro's ok. Do not complain, because the reason for him absconding maybe uncoverd by the filth or BBC. Leading to further humilliation for your brother. Have you tried to get him to post on here?

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I'm sure this has been pointed out before, but if so it bears repeating.

All these millions of chats and forums you've all found and shared with the women in them that complain are a self-selected group: the group of women who have a dislike of small penises and want to talk about it for whatever reason (and other women who don't feel so strongly but say bad stuff anyway out of peer pressure). The women who don't care so much have no bee in their bonnet to discuss the issue, so they don't, and they are therefore invisible. In other words it's not a good idea to generalize from the forums to the population of women at large. the ratio of people who care about the issue vs. don't is not going to be the same.

On the otherhand, these women could be expressing how the truly feel behind the anonymity of the Internet.

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yep, and they're probably the same women who claim they are 18 yr old swedish models sending nude sexy pictures of 'themselves' and 'masturbating' behind the monitor..in between writing the shopping list and cooking husbands dinner for when he gets home from work of course ..or getting ready to go hang out with their mates in the park :) and some may even be men..the internet attracts some peculiar people.

Yes the comments are nasty, very hurtful and they are spiteful and damaging but i wouldnt take things too seriously from sites and people such as them even if they are being genuine,how many members are there on that site and how many people are on the internet? and what kind of a site is it! not a very mature one or one of any actual relevance to anything obviously.

i mentioned in a prevous post i had a problem with one of my breasts and had to have an op (not size related) as a result it does not look attractive at all! and has made me very insecure and caused me various types of problems..i came across a site where men had posted pictures of women with the same type of disfurgement and there were literally hundreds of pics and hundreds of posts deriding these women and comments about how they would never f**k them they want putting down ther freaks etc and at first i was really hurt, but the more i read the more i realised they just wernt worth it, no my problem will never go away and yes i will always suffer because of it but no way was i going to let such pathetic people as that get to me..they're not worth my time...and those people arnt worth yours either, dont let such people add to your distress.

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OK, it seems that whatever fact or opinion of any womans opinion posted on the internet is true, untrue, wrong, right, not really thier opinion, or is truly what they think. If they state size matters to them they are lying, if they size dont matter to them, they are lying.

Now, I do not care what women want/dont want, say/dont say, think/dont think, if they like big, small, short, fat, or whether they actually like cock at all. Thier opinions cannot be trusted, because they spend most of thier time thinking about what is important to them i.e. Shoe's, Handbags, and Chocolate. Most are stupid, cannot drive, and have an attack of the "MENTALS" on a monthly basis, which is why they can do nothing better than men.

Now that after 74 posts you lot have now turned me gay, please tell me how having got my new gay lover into bed, I then stop him/her/it from then telling all my friends that I am deformed, thereby stopping the ridicule and humilliation.?

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yep, and they're probably the same women who claim they are 18 yr old swedish models sending nude sexy pictures of 'themselves' and 'masturbating' behind the monitor..in between writing the shopping list and cooking husbands dinner for when he gets home from work of course ..or getting ready to go hang out with their mates in the park ;) and some may even be men..the internet attracts some peculiar people.

Yes the comments are nasty, very hurtful and they are spiteful and damaging but i wouldnt take things too seriously from sites and people such as them even if they are being genuine,how many members are there on that site and how many people are on the internet? and what kind of a site is it! not a very mature one or one of any actual relevance to anything obviously.

i mentioned in a prevous post i had a problem with one of my breasts and had to have an op (not size related) as a result it does not look attractive at all! and has made me very insecure and caused me various types of problems..i came across a site where men had posted pictures of women with the same type of disfurgement and there were literally hundreds of pics and hundreds of posts deriding these women and comments about how they would never f**k them they want putting down ther freaks etc and at first i was really hurt, but the more i read the more i realised they just wernt worth it, no my problem will never go away and yes i will always suffer because of it but no way was i going to let such pathetic people as that get to me..they're not worth my time...and those people arnt worth yours either, dont let such people add to your distress.

Of course you're right. There are trolls, some of them are probably men having a laugh at others less fortunate, and there are women who may be bitter towards men because they've been treated badly. I recall reading on a comment from a woman saying " Yeah of course size matters, If women are being scrutinized for their breasts or weight then why shouldn't men on their dick size? Anything less then 7 is small". Now I could tell, this was probably from a women who'd been treated badly and wants to have ago at men, and less then 7 equates for about 80% of the male population.

From a personal viewpoint I don't have much to worry about because I'm above 6 inches, but I found it pretty disgusting the other day when I discovered a vid on youtube where a girl (she looked about 18) was mocking a guy for having a small penis, and this was a guy she was seeing at the time apparently.

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Now, I do not care what women want/dont want, say/dont say, think/dont think, if they like big, small, short, fat, or whether they actually like cock at all. Thier opinions cannot be trusted, because they spend most of thier time thinking about what is important to them i.e. Shoe's, Handbags, and Chocolate. Most are stupid, cannot drive, and have an attack of the "MENTALS" on a monthly basis, which is why they can do nothing better than men.

Now that after 74 posts you lot have now turned me gay, please tell me how having got my new gay lover into bed, I then stop him/her/it from then telling all my friends that I am deformed, thereby stopping the ridicule and humilliation.?

Hmm...

Still here.

Never have carried a handbag or cared about shoes. I do, however, really like chocolate. ;)

Anyhow...

ND, you cannot control the actions of others. But the opinions of others don't define you. Once you believe in yourself, their words won't seem as meaningful or pronounced. In the end, it's your beliefs that count.

I will say again that anyone who ridicules you is likely insecure themselves. They beat you down as a means of keeping their own fears at a distance. Or they might do it to get a rise out of you. The point being their motivation in this is not based on actual fact, but on finding some way to serve their own needs. Their behavior is about them and not you.

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I'm quite certain that's exactly what these women were doing. And the UCLA study backs up what we're seeing on these forums. These are not vile women with issues. They're simply expressing a preference.....one that appears to be shared by the majority.

Really though, why is anybody surprised? Especially nowdays with all the porn around. Teenage girls are growing up thinking a guy with an 8 inch cock is the norm. Also us guys are no different really, if we could, we'd all try and get a date with a centrefold girl or somebody who resembles one, so I imagine women are no different. They're probably attracted to a guy with muscles, a 6 pack and a giant dick. The reality is, most of us settle for average or a little above average.

Then why are you here?

If you read one of my threads on another part of this site, I like to make myself perfect. Although I'm average in terms of penis size, I'd like to be above average.

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