Why do women compare the two...

[Wastedlife]

It's never too late to get help but I know from experience, the longer we let these issues fester and grow, the longer they takes to overcome.

Micro penis isn't some imaginary “body issue” to be fixed with you're psychiatrists...Its a actual medical condition and the only way to fix it is to get a bigger penis...There is no accepting this condition, you just live with it cause you have no choice. Venting here once in a while is the only way to release some frustration.

[Thermonuclear Warrior]

I apologize for my twisted sense of humor and I temporarily forgot what kind of place this was. My apologies to the administrators. If you thought my original scenario was messed up, you do not want to read any of my movie scripts or song lyrics. I play guitar in an extreme metal band and I'm generally 'fruitful' with my imagery and it's difficult to associate reality with message boards.

To finish the last scenario: Watch me come back armed with a guitar, amp and PA system, and watch me shred on the fretboard like a madman.

@Thoroughlyunhappy, don't you feel that it is unusual for a woman to not notice a penis that's say even a modest modest 4-4.5 inches in girth going into her vagina? The last woman i was with was able to get off with one finger, so I still do believe that your situation can be improved. Those that are really promiscuous perhaps aren't the type that you shoudl be going for. Wouldn't we all like to bang chicks without any hangups? Many people with large penises have other problems that prevent them from going after chicks like normal human beings. Life has more to it than simply being able to play the field like a 'normal' guy. You may be smaller/thinner than normal, but I am sure if you find a suitable partner, this will not be an issue, especially since you do NOT have a small penis by true statistical standards. Regardless of waht the women told you, your width is enough to be noticed. The classical 'is it in yet' is bullshit and if they truly could not feel something that takes up say 10 milileters in volume inside their vaginas, they are the ones with the problems, not you.

To all with SPS:

I have what most people would consider a small penis also, but not far removed from the 1996 Kinsey Data, whatever that's worth. I know that there is a very large population of males just like myself and that is reassuring. Sure it does not feel great knowing that more than 50 percent of the males I see around me will have bigger dicks, but at the same time, it doesn't bother me. I'm not nearly handicapped to the point of not being able to have sex or procreate. My width is very close to average at 4.7, and my length is below a little bit, but I'm typically the type of person that has small penis syndrome, not a small penis. Perhaps you all will one day realize that there is more to life than being 'the best lover she ever had' or 'being able to reach certain spots' or 'being able to do x position' We are socially evolved creatures, the future of the population of human beings is not strictly based on sexual vigor.I know for a fact that there has to be a woman that agrees with me on these subjects and would compromise an extra 2 inches of friction for me. The sad part to me is that most of us value ourselves based on inches of meat and we do not consider ourselves as a whole.

[Cece.dedesl]

Very well said Thermo.

Wasted... I did not imply therapy would fix your penis size but it can help with how you view yourself and others because of it.

On a side note, my ex was only 2" in girth. I could feel him. Not sure how a woman with a normal sized vagina couldn't feel 4 or more inches in girth.

[Thermonuclear Warrior]

I am assuming you mean 2 inches in width and not girth. 2 inches in girth is like that of a human finger. FYI, 2 inches in width is a substantial girth, near porn star level and is about 5.5 inches in girth...... far from small. Now the question is, would you feel say 4.0 inches in girth or as you measure it 1.25 inches in width? That is the size that plenty of the forum members here have.

I am 1.5 inches in width and 4.7 inches in girth. The condom average in Cancun was about 4.9, and the Kinsey data reported 4.7. So I am of normal girth, nothing to particularly be upset over. Most people would consider this a narrow penis without a doubt but I am fine with it.

Additionally, maybe my self worth is greater than the other forum members because I do not base my existence on my penis. Ii've stated this before in other threads, but I have friends that are well endowed but are incapable of performing many tasks that I can. ON a purely anatomical level, they are more optimal, but what about at the societal and human level?l I am more optimal in situations not involving vaginal penetration. This is the difference between a primate and a human being and I strongly urge those with small penises or micro penises to consider this outlook as well. You may not think a sexless situation is ideal, but I personally think that being able to contribute to society somehow is just as valuable. Procreation isn't for everyone and neither is sex. Anything you do though,l do not ever fall into the humiliation scenario. Just because you are a man with a small penis, it does not mean that you are weak. In fact you could be more of a man than the largest man on the planet.

[Cece.dedesl]

It was girth. Trust me, Jessie and I already had this discussion. His penis was similar to my thumb which I measured for Jessie, 2 1/4".

[Thermonuclear Warrior]

Sorry, I have had a lapse in activity here due to an intense work schedule and i have not followed all of your posts. I assumed you meant girth since 2 inches in girth is fairly rare. But that proves my point. Not being able to feel a normal girth gives rise to the implication that there is a lack of nerve sensitivity in the womans vagina. The problem does not lie within the man only.

[Cece.dedesl]

I agree, I can't imagine not being able to feel 4" in girth. My current boyfriend is a little over 4.5" and I think he's large. I know "it's' in. Lol

[Jessie]

Thermo- i like the idea you mention of being good at other things other than sex. My counsellor has given me that perspective and its been a real help.

Girth- I have read up on this like no other!

for a white guy the ave range is 4.7-5.3 with ave bang on 5.0.

However female sexologists now accept that the design of the vestibular bulbs respond acutely to small differences in girth.

So a 5.3 penis feels very different to a 4.7 one.

There would be no comparison between 4 and 6 girth. chalk and cheese at is were.

The reason girls tend not to 'feel small ones' is because when aroused there is lubrication and expansion and a straight forward and back motion of a thin cylinder is undetectable- a normal girl literally may not know 'its in'. its not an issue of a large vagina or lack of nerves at all.

however a finger is more rigid (bone) and has 2 joints which means if curved up puts pressure on the walls which can be felt- but a thin penis cannot do this.

In addition there are issues of stretching and fullness from thicker penises which are derived from pressure on the v.bulbs.

So in addition to devastating remarks from girls in the past I now have the science to back up their 'stance'.

This is painful, and incurable. So mental therapy techniques are the way forward to dealing with it.

Can I reiterate that average is fine. I think 4.7 will be ok for many women- clearly there are also those that may even accept smaller as evidenced by Cece & Irma.

[Thermonuclear Warrior]

I wouldn't let that brief course in anatomy discourage you. Being unable to feel a rigid cylindrical object of 4 inches girth definitely implies that there is a problem on the other end as well or maybe the lack of feeling is psychological.

[Jessie]

This is an article from "Single Girl Blogging"- this is my reality I guess...

"He began to rip off my pants in the passionate, aggressive manner Latin men are known for.

I couldn’t believe this was happening. I was about to cheat on my boyfriend. My mind told me to stop but I didn’t. And Enrique was way ahead of my mind.

Oh my God, I am going to rot in hell for this. What shall be my punishment for this sordid, selfish act I was about to commit? A second later, I found out.

As fast as he got my pants off, he removed his… and there it was not. I couldn’t believe what I wasn’t seeing. I’ve no clue the expression that was on my face, but I imagine it was something like this:

The irony was unbelievable. This model-hot Latin lover with the Adonis body had a ding-a-ling the size of a zit on a bad day. I honestly didn’t know they came that small.

I wondered if he had a rare disease that permanently arrested the development of his pee-pee at age eight. Or if God tremendously fucked up and put a pinky where his penis should be. Because without exaggeration, that is the best estimation of its length and girth – a pinky. My pinky, not his.

Before I could flick it away he was inside me, and I didn’t feel a thing. I got more pleasure when he fingered me, because at least then he used his middle finger.

As I lay in bed that night, I could’ve sworn I heard the Universe laughing at me. Ha ha, good one, U. I broke up with my boyfriend shortly thereafter.

I’m fairly sure Enrique told some of the other busboys, because they all started being extremely nice to me after that night. I found the entire experience to be mortifying, but at least my customers got speedy water refills and plenty of fresh chips and salsa.

***

So what is your teeny weenie story? We’ve all got ‘em. Let’s hear it!"

I guess my exes have me as their 'small story'. This cursed f....g life.

[malign]

Note to self: don't read stupid shit off the internet.

Seriously. I'm sure any minority out there could find somebody on the internet posting comparably meaningless drivel about them.

The question is, why listen. Heck, you went and copied the whole thing, so now it's going to appear on searches for our site. Wouldn't it make more sense to work for its deletion, rather than repeat it?

[Thermonuclear Warrior]

^My point exactly. Why seek out such stories? There is no positivity in that, and you will only further dig yourself a hole.

[Wastedlife]

^My point exactly. Why seek out such stories? There is no positivity in that, and you will only further dig yourself a hole.

Yes why seek the truth, just put you're head in the sand and believe that some day you will find “the one” who will accept you pathetic penis.

Hope kills, its better to face the truth and move in. imho

[malign]

Meh. No one's ever died of hope, and many people die because they lose it.

Hope can hurt (or rather, disappointment can), but hurt doesn't kill. It depends what you do with it.

Where's the evidence that there's any truth at all to this "small story"? Someone wrote it on the internet; that's not much of a recommendation.

[Wastedlife]

Meh. No one's ever died of hope, and many people die because they lose it.

Hope can hurt (or rather, disappointment can), but hurt doesn't kill. It depends what you do with it.

Where's the evidence that there's any truth at all to this "small story"? Someone wrote it on the internet; that's not much of a recommendation.

Well problem is there is millions of stories on the net where women prefer bigger penis and go as far as “this is guy perfect but...” they cant all be made up...small penis is deal breaker for most women. Find me same amount of stories on the net written by women embracing their mans three inch penis and maybe we can have a discussion. And any story you can find its just women taking pity on man's with small penises or there ones of those women who don't care much for sex or any kind of physical intimacy...Denying this is just creating more hope and pain for people suffering from this condition.

[malign]

How interesting is a story about someone doing the right thing? I would suggest that you'll never find the "same number" of stories of people living their ordinary lives compared to having unusual adventures, either. But which do most people actively prefer? Unusual adventures are dangerous, etc., so most people want their lives to be ordinary, if happy. Sampling the number of stories about something is not a reliable measure of anything except perhaps story-worthiness.

But if hope is pain for you, or even death, as you said before, I guess it's important that I not give you any.

[Bundy]

I just wanted to add, that even if you are 100% convinced that your world view is right, what is the point of reading these stories on a regular basis? It just depresses you more and makes going through life harder. It's self-punishment to read stories about things you already perceive as right, there is simply nothing you gain. No new insight, better feeling, just obsession over something that you can't change anything about it.

Roughly a month ago I did the same shit. Nothing size-related really, just read articles to reinforce my overall strong pessimism and misanthropy. Just reading this crap every day, feeling insanely miserable. Not saying everything is awesome now, but at least the last few days have been tolerable, so I think that's at least worth something, sure as hell beats being constantly miserable and angry.

[Thermonuclear Warrior]

^Agreed.

Feeling sorry for yourself and complaining won't help. The reality is that you have a small penis. Either learn to be a man about it and stop feeling weak all the time, or continue to do what you are doing and perpetually hate your existence. I choose the former and I feel that we should all do the same. This is coming from someone who also has a small penis, so it's not empty advice. You will be a bigger man than the most well endowed man if you confidently accept your situation and stop feeling weak. I used to be exactly like you until I realized that my basis for depression and comparison was was just a trivial fraction of human flesh.

[Jessie]

Sigh... look, I know you are all correct.

My therapist has told me the same- there is no logic in doing what I do.

I just feel compelled to do it.

Years ago I researched on the web hoping to find reassurance- jeez, what a mistake that was.

Im afraid the author of the piece is a well know female writer who has been on this womens site for several years and has penned many articles- some of which are quite sensitive and humane.

The comments below the article on the actual website are horrible to read.

I do want to be independent and self happy, but to know that I am so despised, just guts me.

I know my exes talk about me in that derisory way- and I cant help but think of that and it makes me so ashamed and despondent (with occasional bouts of rage and fury).

"He's a nice guy- shame about his small ......". F**k it - may as well put that on my grave stone.

[Wastedlife]

Feeling sorry for yourself and complaining won't help. The reality is that you have a small penis. Either learn to be a man about

How can you be a man with a 3 inch penis? 10 year old's have bigger penis then you, you will never be a man. And actually complaining is the only thing that helps...

[Jessie]

An article as an antidote to what I posted the other day:

The politics of size

WHY THE MAN WHO CONFESSED TO HIS PENIS ENLARGEMENT ON THIS MORNING BROUGHT A TEAR TO MY EYES (FOR ALL THE RIGHT REASONS)

• Identified only as ‘Danny’, This Morning guest said he was suffering from ‘penis dysmorphia’
  

• Blames women, society and the media for ‘toxic’ attitude to penis size
  

A man made daytime television history by discussing penis enlargement surgery on ITV’s This Morning.

Interviewed by Philip Schofield and Holly Willoughby in a pre-recorded segment to protect his identity, the anonymous figure revealed how he had paid £5,000 to have fat removed from his love handles and injected along the shaft of his manhood to increase its girth.

Breaking new ground for pre-watershed viewing, this nine-minute feature peaked when before-and-after photos flashed up on screen; no doubt to cackles of laughter in the production office and across the country.

Instead, he was simply trying to undo years of ‘toxic messages from women and the media’, which had left him psychologically scarred. The very messages which affect all males, from young boys to war veterans.

It was this – not the gory footage of the operation – which brought a tear to my eye.

Namely because he stood up for the basic dignity of all men, including me, the bloke next door and the latest guy being drafted to serve in the Helmand Provence.

Thanks to this person’s willingness to speak up and not show off, men have finally been given the terminology to describe a shame they’re taught to harbour from childhood.

A sexism that comes regardless of what a man’s penis might look like; but simply because he has one in the first place.

They are always too small, too thin or just plain ugly, irrespective of how they actually are. Young boys are still told that size matters, while girls are counselled over size zero models in magazines.

Women scorn the fashion industry for putting pressure on their sisters (and they’re right to), but it’s these very women who often trash a guy because his body isn’t to their liking. Even though his body is his, not theirs.

Rarely is the defining part of a man’s body respected for simply being the amazing, multi-functional, life-creating organ it actually is.

Yet, despite such messages creating generation after generation of men and boys who suffer in silence, they are constantly regurgitated.

And, although I run the risk of sounding like the male equivalent of Samantha Brick, it’s women who are mostly to blame.

As a man with many close female friends and many women in my immediate family – women who are often smart, successful and emotionally intelligent – I can honestly say that 90 per cent of them have offended me at some point by mocking another guy’s penis.

I love my sister-in-laws, but they’ve done it. As have the wives of my best friends. So too have celebrities I’ve interviewed for magazines, one of my former female bosses and, perhaps most disturbingly, clever women who have young sons, loving husbands and fathers who deserve better.

I was once at a friend’s 21st birthday party, which was festooned with pictures of him at various stages in his life; including some as a child in the bath. Even here, while celebrating his passage into adulthood, there were women whom I overheard say: ‘Hmm, he hasn’t changed much…if you know what I mean.’

Another time, during a man’s speech about prostate cancer at a major health seminar in London, two women in the row ahead of me leaned in to each other and made an inch gesture between their thumb and forefinger.

Both times, my heart sank – not for me or my body. I’m happy. But for the brotherhood.

Comparatively, I’ve never once heard any of the men in my life subject their girlfriends to the same humiliation and paranoia.

But can we really blame women? Yes. And they need to take responsibility for their words. But it’s also right to point the finger at the media.

Whether it manifests in a Lily Allen album track (there are two which do this – charming, I know) or one of the countless female characters in film and TV who take great delight in belittling men over the penis – a kick in the crotch or a wiggle of their little finger – it’s offensive to all men; the overwhelming majority of whom are good, good people.

Likewise, if a presenter like Jeremy Clarkson rated women on the tautness of their vagina (which, FYI, varies as much as men’s genitalia) like certain loose women, there would be an outrage. It would be offensive. And rightly so. But, sorry girls, it’s no different when the victims are male.

To make matters worse, there are virtually no positive or neutral messages about this wonderful part of the human body to counteract the above.

And it has a knock-on affect for every other men’s issue, from self-esteem and sexual health to male genital mutilation, otherwise known as domestic abuse.

Recently, a woman was arrested in the U.S. for allegedly drugging her husband, restraining him, cutting off his penis and destroying it in a garbage disposal; all because he asked for a divorce. The response? Sharon Osbourne declared on live TV that it was ‘quite fabulous’.

Unsurprisingly, she kept her job, which is funny given what Andy Gray was fired for.

Perhaps this wouldn’t have happened if men demanded more respect for their penises.

Feminist author Susie Orbach once said that fat was a feminist issue. I suspect she’s right, but if she is, then penis size is an issue of the same scale for men.

Thanks to the gentleman on This Morning’s sofa today, my faith in U-turning this has been somewhat restored; namely because the people who judge the size of his penis might pay more attention to the size of their brains.

After all, not only did he have the courage to be honest about his most private body part on national TV, he also had the balls to tackle male sexism head-on.

Now that’s big.

This article originally appeared at dailymail.co.uk, and is reposted here with permission of the author. PE

Written byPeter Lloyd

[Notdoneyet]

It's too bad that his efforts will prove to be of no use. Unless, that is, he should be willing to undergo the same procedure every few years since the body will find a way to remove the excess fat where it really never occurs.

I was married to a woman who felt that she needed more. I got rid of her and couldn't care any less about how things are going in her life, but have been told they haven't been to her liking or even as comfy as she had been accustom to while living at my expense.

[Notdoneyet]

Come on guys. could any of you really relish waking up in the morning, turning over to THIS??

[Jessie]

Sorry,

Just to be clear- I wasn't suggesting enlargement operations were a good thing!

I think they are terrible- I think only a fool would consider going for an operation that can not improve your penis but can only make it even worse. (sorry for the harsh words but seriously!!!)

I meant the article was good in that it takes the fight to women who insult small men and ridicule them for something men already hate about themselves.

[thouroghlyunhappy]

Sorry,

Just to be clear- I wasn't suggesting enlargement operations were a good thing!

I think they are terrible- I think only a fool would consider going for an operation that can not improve your penis but can only make it even worse. (sorry for the harsh words but seriously!!!)

I meant the article was good in that it takes the fight to women who insult small men and ridicule them for something men already hate about themselves.

Well I'll be a fool then , because--if I live long enough--I'm getting one! Lets look at the options:

1.Do nothing and continue as we are

2. Roll the dice on the operation and maybe, just maybe be one of those lucky few whom are actually satisfied with the results.

This idea that no-one is ever satisfied with the surgery is a myth. Results depend on which procedure you get and who doe's it. Perhaps we don't hear so much from those whom are satisfied because, instead of wasting time complaining on the internet, they're out enjoying their new penises! lol

Come on guys. could any of you really relish waking up in the morning, turning over to THIS??

At this point I'd be perfectly fine with this. It would certainly beat waking up alone and de-stressing by posting complaints in a small penis forum, lol. Just my opinion.