New Person

[Jeep]

.

[Wastedlife]

I get why you feel less than male with small junk- I think its inevitable.

I guess guys who lack height feel that way a bit too.

perhaps skinny guys have not dissimilar feelings.

I know there is an added sting with dick size as its what you use, its a tool, its the instrument of sexual union, its supposed to supply pleasure (and urinate) and is fetishised by many.

But its the only one you have so you have to sideline your understandable and basically logical feelings.

And your life isnt ruined.... ok, so you are maybe 'less' attractive to most girls due to having a small one compared to if you had an average or big one, but you would also be less attractive if you were 4ft tall or disfigured or disfigured, or a racist or a moron.

You have a (slightly) unattractive physical feature. Most people have several. Its on your neg list. (not for all girls but many, sure)

But on your pros list: it works, it could be smaller!, you are articulate and bright by the looks of things, you have a working tongue and fingers.

We all gotta play the hand we were dealt.

Yeah, in the sexual arena you gotta try harder than many guys, but you don't have to try as hard as the dwarf/disabled person/shorter stature person!

And those guys, they can try too! and sooner or later things will happen for them... and its the same for you.

Well yeah it makes sense what you said, and to tell you the truth I really appreciate you saying and admitting that small penis is unattractive to most women and its going to be a challenge. A lot of people here love to sugar coat it and dismiss it as some phantom imagery illness and that there is no difference between 4 inch and 8 inch penises which makes me even more depressed and mad. So thank you.

As for me playing head I was dealt, I’m playing it because I have no other choice. Weather I accept it or not down the road who knows...i guess it all comes down to luck and what type of people I meet. I also don't like to compare myself to the lowest common denominator, (ie:people with no legs...etc) I don't think that solves anything. A drug addict could compare his life to some kid in Africa that’s starving and most likely wont live to see his 5^th birthday and come a conclusion that being a addict is a good thing...this logic is flawed imho

[IrmaJean]

Well yeah it makes sense what you said' date=' and to tell you the truth I really appreciate you saying and admitting that small penis is unattractive to most women and its going to be a challenge. A lot of people here love to sugar coat it and dismiss it as some phantom imagery illness and that there is no difference between 4 inch and 8 inch penises which makes me even more depressed and mad. So thank you.[/quote']

I often have a strong need to be heard so I can relate to that need. For me personally, I would never want to disrespect or minimize anyone's experiences or feelings. I know it can really help me to have a voice, and to feel heard and understood. That doesn't always change things that I'm struggling with, but it does help me feel some relief. I hope that all of you feel some relief too when you express yourself here. For me, when I offer possible different perspectives, it is never with the intention of being dismissive. I respect everyone's feelings.

I appreciate your attempt to help but trivialising reality' date=' or focussing on something else doesn't change anything in the real world...[/quote']

Part of the point I wanted to make was that I am part of the real world, which means there are very likely other women who feel as I feel. I do hope you are able to keep your heart and mind open to all of the possibilities.

I don't care if she loves you blah blah, the fact is she loves me despite it, in fact I find her love patronising sometimes, women's brains are different, this isn't about them, it is about my brain, all the "it doesn't matter to someone who loves you" is normally coming from a woman, I am not a woman I don't think like you okay? It matters to me.

I hear that it matters to you.

Is it possible, though, that "despite it" is your interpretation and not hers? Possibly she loves and appreciates all of you exactly as you are?

Edited April 3, 2013 by IrmaJean
adding

[Jeep]

.

[Jeep]

.

[newguy]

hey there I'm male 5ft11 weigh in about 19stone 10pounds so pretty overweight .. sadly at mo I have mental block so can't really get rock hard but I am pushing out 4inches at my max but lately not been rock hard so about 3

it is heartbreaking being smaller but that hasn't stopped me still having fun and being in a r-ship

believe me people handcuffs blindfold bag of toys will do wonders don't be lazy with your tongue and fingers .. yes I am shit scared everytime I met a new girl but I can't help the way I was born people ... It's even be ok with it or leave me hows how I live life I am 24 so I have done a full u turn from trying to kill myself to out clubbing getting naked like I did when I was 18 but after to many knocks I broke down but now its me I'm ok with it I can't help it or make it bigger I can't be dealing with size queens love for me or get out of my life simple I have lost 45pounds in weight I'm gonna to back to the gym for a good few house I just cried eat was bedroom bound and wanted to die now I don't give a crap don't like me jog off simple life

[Carl]

Never take those scams like stretching, weighting, jelqing, magic pills seriously. Even surgery is a bad option. It's just bullshit. However like we said earlier the only option that seems even remotely close to some sort of solution is losing weight. In fact I don't think that BMI (Body Mass Index) is relevant here. What's relevant is body fat % and muscle mass. That's where the focus should be. NOT BMI. Just wanted to correct that mistake.

However it wont make you gigantic, but it might get you up to perhaps average depending on your current size. But don't forget that size isn't everything about sex, there's a whole bunch of stuff more that you can do. I will do a thread perhaps tomorrow or on Friday about that.

About getting a more healthier body, this site will come in handy. http://www.dietdoctor.com/. It's the english version of a Swedish website that I use called "Kostdoktorn", which means Diet Doctor. I see that it doesn't have a forum yet, but it should be a good start. To see the what the ingrediens are in food, use this site, http://www.fineli.fi/index.php?lang=en and press "In english" in the upper left corner, in case it's not selected.

You can also ask questions to me via PM about food, exercising and so on if it's needed.

Another thing that I've been thinking about was a couple of months ago on Measurection about some guy who lost weight and got an increase in both length and girth. I also read that sugar makes the blood vessels in our bodies less elastic. Now if we "cut" or minimize the amount sugar intake, then it would make blood vessels more elastic and therefore when you get an erection, the penis could be thicker. I don't know if all of this is true, but it could be an explanation for why that guy got an increase in girth. Now I've been on this LCHF diet for a couple of months now and have been going to the gym 4 times a week and I'm in my fourth week in a row and it looks like my penis are somewhat thicker now compared to before. Although I haven't measured, but it does look somewhat bigger than before.

Well might be worth a thought. Keep it ambitious, Jeep.

[Jeep]

.

[newguy]

You have a positive attitude newguy be careful that can be infectious .

Cheers Carl, I am thinking this way, and am going to crucify my abdominal muscles. I will check out those links.

Thanks to others too, Victim, Cantgive, Wasted, Jessie and IrmaJean.

seriously if you don't learn to cope with being small living to the age of 90 is gonna be so hard as everywhere you do you are bitter mad and angry your friends set you up on blind dates you go clubbing you have that girl whisper into your ear hinting she wants to have some fun its so hard to even just get out of bed knowing that girl at work keeps giving you the eye knowing you so badly wanna bang her you try your best to just walk away she gets bored and moves on to the new guy and then your just get worse and worse your sit in your bedroom all the time crying eating food wishing all the girls that laughed at you for being small dies a slow bad death of cancer while you get fatter and fatter cry and cry some more all the time you hide from the world the years go flying so fast pasted your bedroom window you stop even enjoying ur bday party knowing what's the point to life why am I born ... You need to break that idea and learn to cope with being small I know a guy he doesn't know that I am smaller than him but he has problems picking up the girls with a 6inches as he is scared he will get laughed at so what chance do I have but I do I bed more girls then he does ok they don't last long I never cuddle up on the sofa but I still bang away as I have the mind set of not caring anymore ... Believe me if you don't break this mind set you will end up dead as its so hard going around bitter you might even start to hating women for laughing at you you wanna hurt them but people I just laugh along with them now it doesn't worry me anymore you have to learn to be happy be confident in yourself Learn to get to know some one slowly don't be lazy with your tongue and fingers buy toys handcuffs and blindfolds .. yes ok it is hard long down a long r-ship but just banging away its easy as long as your happy inside yourself people take your time baby steps it can go to ways You learn to cope Or you end up killing yourself its that easy

[Jeep]

.

[Jessie]

Im come close too- gotta fight through it Jeep.

we all end up in the ground eventually- enjoy the things that life can offer in the meantime- sport, food, porn, family love, hobbies, comedy, theatre....and if you meet the right person .... sex an relationships too...

[Jeep]

.

[newguy]

alright everyone ... Aww know how you feel jeep I have this out of on life I'm trying to cope but some things even sets me back a few steps and I have to pick myself up all over again .. yeah I'm larger overweight I'm an trying so badly to lose my weight as its had to pee with all this weight I started my diet at 322pounds

But dude its so hard being small yeah people talk about finding the right women or even using extenders for your penis so basically means so small have to stick a toy over my knob to even use it ... I myself is finding life so hard at the mo its so heartbreaking ok long story short

girl I know texts me saying shes had a bit to drink and drink makes her very horny well believe me even if your small still not gonna say no when its on the plate right in front of you .. so get down with it tie her to the bed blindfold her and not being lazy give her all she needs then here is the bummer even with pillows underneath her butt still find it so hard to even penetrate her there is a saying to small for sex and its true I'm about 4.5inches but as I have always been a fat kid I'm just helping this is down to me being fat as can't do doggy she couldn't ride me what ever which way we tried just couldn't do anything so yes it is so hard so heartbreaking as how can a bloke not feel useless all this talk of there's a girl out there for everyone a girl would just be longing for a good filling and even if she is happy our minds will keep telling us differently even if you look at amatuer porn online guys that are about 6.5-7inches they can pleasure there women but really how can we ever ... When I was about 18 I picked up a girl from a nightclub and she tried to ride me and asked if I was in being serious what girl is ever going to fall in love with someone like me do I need to wear a strap on all the time then what's the point in staying with me plenty of guys other guys out there I have never had a girlfriend for more than a few weeks as soon as its time to show off that mushroom tip and be balls deep action and busting some nuts as soon after that happens its goes all quite ... So now that girl will never text me again why would she what's the point in texting a guy yeah ok maybe not lazy in the foreplay area but a big mood killer when it comes down to "it" why why would she ever bother with me again

It's so hard to have a good out look on life I try and cope but where ever you turn you see happy couples all my friends are married kids or single and out partying all night long I'm stuck in my little slowly turning world pick yourself up and as soon as your ok with yourself again as an bloke has needs tries and goes out and have fun but what is the point? To dating clubbing ect as with all the women I have been with not one has called me back I can spend months chatting them up going out for dates ect then we start dating for a few weeks then as soon as "its" happened she doesn't want to know any more ........ There is not one women out there that would settle down with a guy she can't even feel inside her as she rides him people say use toys she wants a dick not some plastic toy and she knows as soon as she walks away there will be a line of guys to date her

I can not compete with all these other guys I am way to small for sex so I have to learn to cope just knowing I can never go out on dates or anything there really isnt no point to chatting girls up dating or going online dating or anything as its only going end in disaster . Where is all the female small penis fan clubs .. size does matter women use rabbit vibrators for fun not a party sausage .. sadly out if all the guys only 0.6% has a small small penis and sadly we are to small for sex to small to date to small to find love .. women all over the world will only laugh and move on no women is gonna settle down with someone like me

so till the day I die I will have to walk around sitting in a cafe alone drinking ny coffee having my lunch seeing and watching the happy couples with babies the young loved up couple holding hands or even the old couple in there late 80s and I will have to just dream and remember I am only 24 I have to many many many years of being a alone to go

I was at a friends bbq the other day and sat around them not knowing about me being small and one of my mates 26yr old says he is finding it hard to date being only 5.5inches and he gets laughed at then I asked what my females friends thoughts on it was and they said anything smaller than 6inches no point even trying as it will not do anything for them no point in just laying there and not getting anything out of it ..... So what chance does a 4.5inche guy has

In the paper a mother in india killed her baby son as she said his small penis will only give him a life of sadless loneliness and depression and so she put him out of his misery before he got to the age of having to have the needs dreaming wishing wanting to be in a r-ship but only getting laughed at ... All we can do is pick ourselfs up again and just dream and never actully do anything

I am planing on joining the gym slim down gonna join a night class to learn French at college I'm gonna run away to join the french foreign legion if they will take me .. sex well to a poor hooker money is money and I plan on retiring living in a small old farmhouse out in the countryside somewhere and that will be my life ... Oh how I wish my life was going off to uni like I was planing (lol sorry about my grammar and structure if this message but I am sadly dyslexic) to party to sleep around to go on lads holidays away to do a working holiday in australia that's my dream but even going to my local gym swimming pool or local beach seeing fit girls walking past seeing couples just makes me angry as I know I will never have any of that in life ...... There is no girl out there that will settle for me and my 4.5inches penis ..... 30-60years times to have a small penis might be sorted out with a few hour op but for me we are all doomed to life a live of depression

its so nice just get there off my chest and talk to people that are in the same boat as me ...as how tough and hard having this is talking out it helps ... I will pick myself up again and sadly this time I will stop getting myself upset and on a low by just give up dating and trying to pick up girls from now on ...... People say keep trying there's a girl out there somewhere ... But we can only get laugh that so much in life and really as there needs to be a female small penis fan club .... But there is so many girls on the larger penis forums I once seen 70,000 girl profiles on one forum for large penis

what am I suppose to do turn gay and fall in love with another small penised guy just to feel loved and wanted even tho I don't have a gay cell in my body?? as I don't know anymore I just give up I have been out there online dating blind dating speed dating dates set up by friends picking up girls in night clubs all going back to being 15 at school at mates house parties and all that has come out of it is laugher and even if I'm not denied sex .. the next day will never hear from them again as come out what girl on this earth is gonna be ok with riding a 4.5inches inches can't feel a thing and want to come back for more ................ Sadly I am to small for sex will have to live with that for the rest of my life

well thanks for reading or maybe even replying back its just nice to rant and get this stuff off my chest as I am on such a low right now .... If I was one of my friends and larger that girl and me would have been fuck buddies but now she just ignores me another girl to do so

let's say if i had a twin I don't by the way and I was this size and my twin was 7-8inches both are naked standing there and there is a line of girls outside this room they enter one by one .. what twin is the girls gonna pick everytime definitely NOT me .... And I have to live every sec of the day knowing that for the rest of my life

[dvnJ22]

I personally don't think I'll ever find anyone. I'm almost micro, I know I will be alone. I'm an oddity - physically and personality wise. I saw this documentary about soren kierkegaard, the narrator said he died alone and what not and "that it couldn't have ended any other way that he was an oddity and outsider and a loner"

Maybe one day I'll write a novel and it will become a classic.... or part of opera's book club.

[Jessie]

newguy- you have expressed the pain in a very articulate way.

Your description of girls talking about size at a BBQ was almost identical to an experience I had at uni- at a BQQ!

But there is hope - I am slightly smaller than you and i have had 4 long term ish relationships in my life so far- i hope to find a couple more...

[Jeep]

.

[newguy]

I'm not to sure where you live on this earth but sadly uk girls are mostly size queens and 99% has had sex before the age of 20 75% has kids before the age of 20

we live in a world that is full off sex its everywhere in your face 24/7 . It's not really about length to much its more about being super skinny I am like 1inch thick and no girl wants that what girl really wants to settle down to a girl to rude that guy and never feel a thing .. maybe there is a girl out there for us guys but sadly its finding them and if I have to go though many more of these get laughed at times I just can't cope I pick myself up and keep believe these fake hopes of keep trying but I have tried .. speed dating pull girls in clubs to blind dates to online dating nothing works if a girl only wants to be eaten out and have toys used on her she would just be a lesbian sadly how can I feel like a real man .. it feels like the only way I am gonna have sex without girls laughing is paying for it or by kidnap being small is a horrible disability .. 0.06% of males have this and I have heard a lot of small guys are gay is that because they can't find any female?? Now am I suppose to live another 24yrs knowing every waking min knowing I will never be loved .. where are you from? As for me all I get is laughed at and there is only so much you can be laughed at before you give up and can't cope anymore

just gonna focus on my weight lost and try and forget dating as its hard getting laughed at from the girls I pull in clubs but even harder dating someone thinking its going amazing and then to get laughed that now that is a killer blow .. I just have to cope with the fact I am gonna be forever alone .... So like your having lot better luck than me in the world of dating there is no girls lining up for small penis guys but so many for large penis guys and sadly because I am born small and super skinny I am forever be alone a life of depression bitter and angry of the world till the day I die .. I keep picking myself up and keep getting myself punished again by going back out in the dating game

Il just have to pick myself up again focus on my weight loss and get back out there again I so wish there was a female small penis fan club instead of all put downs just find a girl straight away instead of going though so many dates just to get laughed at and have to keep picking myself up again

[newguy]

Jeep --- women do say they are ok with a inch less but what is a deal breaker is being super skinny come on what girl wants to settle with a guy that has ok forget the length but a super skinny 1inch thick no girl would settle for that

Legion its all been my goal since I was 13 a guy that owned and run the local store had pics up all over the place of him in the legion and I used to just sit and spend hours listening to his stories about it so its always been my goal to do my 5yrs in maybe infantry or tank regiment then move to oz that was ny goal but just might go and do a full life of it ... You don't think of it as I'm dying for some french politician you don't think of it as this war is wrong or right its all about your buddies the guys next to you .. legion see the world train hard fight hard and have lots of paid hooker sex being apart of a elite proud fighting force .. home a dead end job forever alone wherever I walk or look I see happy couples or friends trying set me up on dates and even my own mother saying oh well you know so and so her daughter is single now ect people are rubbing there happy lifes in my face 24/7 and I'm here alone ... I have had enough of picking my self up then going back out just to get laughed at again its not fun anymore ... Lol maybe if I built up loads of muscles and pulled some real drink chicks wouldn't be so bad lol

[Jeep]

.

[Jessie]

7 arses!! jeez ... that would be a full time job wiping them...

[Jessie]

newguy, Jeep is right

if you try and hook up with girls from uk bars of course they will reject your size!

You are setting yourself up for a fall doing that.

You need to increase the chances of success, not guarantee continual failure.

there is research saying that girls of above above attractiveness put a lot more emphasis on size than average looking girls.

That doenst mean you only seek women you find very unattractive - it just means you are best off avoiding highly attract/pretty girls.

Equally you are best off developing a friendship via sports club or even dating site and slowly move towards sex.

Basically make the relationship sound and have sex as a secondary issue- not the total focus.

[newguy]

hey dude ... The legion yeah I know you don't need to learn French but in the legion if you fuck up they all get punished at 1st let let things go if you make a mistake your new but soon afterwards if you don't start catching up there not just gonna come down on your like a ton of bricks but everyone in your section so if I fuck up they all get punished and that's well people like that can make your bloody life Hell if you keep fucking up they will keep pushing till you leave its as simple as that it was only since 1997 that all deaths was classed as suicide even if you was stabbed in the back so I wanna learn a years worth while I am losing my weight don't want to het the shit kicked out of me dude as might as well going take me a while to lose my weight might as well go learn French in my free time then it is to cry about being small .. I went online a penis extender gives u that few inches and makes u thicker ...... But its not just pulling girls in bars I have tried everything from taking it slow with girls I met online dates ect dating for about 3 weeks starting to fall for her then as soon as she saw I was small she laughed and stopped talking to me so what's the point really .. but might try like you said lower my standards and use a dick sleeve gonna pick myself up again and try again .. thanks guys

[Jessie]

look , the vast majority of guys get rejected sooner or later.... for all sorts of reasons...

no-one here can protect you from that.... its part of the dating game till 2 people are happy with each other and stick.

Im not gonna lie to you- the next girl you are with may be able to overlook your size, but on the other hand she might reject you becuase of it.

If its the latter you try again. You my have to suffer some immature comments ec but there is chance, eventually, you will find someone.

However if you don't 'get out there' you will for SURE find no-one.

there are no guarantees, obviously no human can go on suffering 'endless' rejection- but if this does happen (to either of us- Im in the same boat as you), than at least we can say we tried....

[Cece.dedesl]

We ALL get rejected. Sometimes over physical things, sometime because we are incompatible as a couple, sometimes for no fault of our own.

Rejection is part of dating. You simply move on to the next one til you find Mr or Mrs Right.

[newguy]

Lol you make it sound like I am brand new to the world of dating and rejection I have been getting rejected since the age of 15 people I'm just saying I am trying I do get on a low and do and will pick myself up again and move on and try and find someone else someone that will overlook my short lol comings like you guys say I don't truly think there is any more point in going to clubs can go and have fun but there really is no point what so ever in trying to pull as most girls there are just size queens .. I'm not being to picky but I may have to be abit more open minded on who I date

But what I am saying is .... We are human beings can only get laughed at so many times I have been laughed at sooo many times and to have the idea of sex body image looking good for the beach ect is in our faces 24/7

But how do you guys cope with getting laughed at so many times each year really come on you just can't say that it doesn't upset you getting laughed at sometimes I can just laugh it off and try and be ok with it and others its getting to become an old joke now I have heard it so many times now

I know girls are just or even more insecure but there bodies but come on people we can only get laughed at so much .how do you guys cope with it ??

yes my friend we can say we have tried and its so true we can say we are going to be forever alone but we will never know unless we try and if in the end is doesn't work out then we just didn't look in the right places that's all .trying is extremely horrible and depressing ... I really just want to know how on earth do you find a girl that is ok with your size as believe me down here in England I am having no luck what so ever .. it doesn't matter if it is blind dating speed dating being set up by friends or online dating or whatever I try I have only found girls that are shocked open mouthed girls that after a few good weeks of amazing dates just turn cold as soon as they know I am small ... But I will have to keep trying as when I get over the hill in age I can look back and day yes I did try and maybe there is someone out there maybe a girl with such a extremely low sex drive