"What should be done about us?" A heartfelt question.

[Resolute]

You do not have a small penis?

no,but that's not the only problem a person can have;for instance,i'm quite short,do you know what a disadvantage it is for a man,and how distressing it is,to be below the international average height,of about 5'7" if i remember correctly?let alone u.s average which is about 5'9" or 5'10",and then you have countries averaging 6',and so on.let me tell you,it sucks.but i try not to let it get to me too much,and drag me down with it.

i have many other disadvantages in my life too,some of which,i'll eventually overcome,hopefully.

Edited August 10, 2014 by resolute

[Guest Klingsor]

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[Resolute]

@ klingsor,

i wasn't trying to imply that being short is worse;in some ways it is,in some,it's not.

nor was i suggesting to deal with our "handicaps" or whatever you wanna call them,passively.what i am suggesting,is that we focus on our good traits and qualities,and improve/fix what we can,in ourselves,and our lives.

[Guest Klingsor]

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[Resolute]

klingsor:

"Why bother improving aspects of my life that I can change when a guy blessed with a big dick can do all of these things too?"

so if you became a great basketball player,so can a short guy with a big dick?

if you became a great runner,so could a guy blessed with a big dick,but in a wheelchair?

if you became a director,or producer,or actor,or...,so can a blind guy blessed with a big dick?

of course these are just a few examples,i could give you a million more.

[Guest Klingsor]

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[Resolute]

You've completely missed my point, Resolute. And you're using sophistry to prove yours.

So if a well-hung guy jumped off a cliff, would you?

So if a comet were hurtling toward the earth, would you ask Biggus Dickus for advice?

So if Santa Clause were real, would you ask for a bigger dick?

They're all hypotheticals.

first of all klingsor,i try to never resort to sophistry or any such avenues,to prove a point;in fact i could probably become a professional debater if i chose to.

and none of my examples were hypothetical;there are short,well hung guys;there are blind well hung guys;and there are guys in wheelchairs,who are well hung.

nothing to do with santa claus,jumping off bridges or cliffs,and no comets either.

but it's you who missed the point completely;you see,the point i was trying to make is,that you've convinced yourself that all that matters in life is a big dick;when in fact,it's just one of the many things that matter.

and this approach to life prevents you from seeing anything good that you possess -whether by choice or not,such as genetics etc.- that many guys with big dicks don't possess.

i keep using the height example,because i don't know that much about you,or your life,but i do know that you're 6'3",as you stated,and you still think that's not tall enough.

so,you see yourself,as a guy with a tiny penis,and who's a bit short;and plenty of other things,that i don't know about.

when in reality,you're a guy with a somewhat smaller than average penis,for where you live -and probably average or above,in certain areas of the world- and who's taller than the average,of any place on earth.

all i'm saying is,that we gotta put things in perspective.

[Resolute]

Two interesting things I did notice on the thread:

1.) Some of you guys have a tendency to watch random women sprouting their opinions on youtube and assume that what they say is a kind of Gospel truth. I find this bizarre. There are people on youtube who have all kinds of weird opinions. There are no doubt those who earnestly contend that Elvis is alive and well in the Amazonian rainforest. But we wouldn't automatically and uncritically swallow that, would we?!

2.) There can sometimes be a near mania about measurements. There was a post from Jessie saying something like "...most British women refuse to accept less than 6"..." Well, I am quite certain that this isn't true. (I also live in Britain, so I can speak with at least some confidence on this point.)

There seems to be a kind of a urge to believe that anything under 7" is "small". Again, there isn't any good reason for thinking this. The consensus (or near consensus) among recent published empirical studies into size is that only a fairly small minority of men have a NBP length of 7" or more.

We do need to keep it real, in my opinion (I say that to myself as well as to everyone else.)

i agree.

Most men are 5.75" NBP plus or minus a small amount. This is what the scientific studies say, and I see no compelling reason to doubt them (much less to attach greater credence to what some random woman on the internet thinks or says!)

i really can't agree,either with you (no offense),or those,so called "studies".and i see plenty of compelling reasons to doubt them.

i genuinely believe,based on many indications,including porn,that the actual average is below 5" length,and probably not above 4" girth.

now,i know many will strongly disagree,based on their delusions,and some based on their very unfortunate experiences,and some based on "studies" that are all flawed,one way or another.

and i know some of you,are professional mathematicians,and/or statisticians,and/or archivists (jessie comes to mind,lol),but still,try to at least believe it's possibility,and plausibility;and don't forget that i'm also a man,and even though i never had sps etc.,i still was,like most men,fascinated,or obsessed with comparing my equipment with others';so,i've also researched,and thought about the issue of size,considerably,and only then,have i come to these conclusions.

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How's about if you're short AND have a small penis? Don't we all have different facets to us? Different strengths and weaknesses we can use?

I'm very mechanically inclined. I've always been a car nut. I can wire a house easily. I built my own addition. I plumb, weld, sweat copper, roof, pour concrete.....yada, yada etc.

But with these meager talents I helped a lot of friends out when single. I was the one that always had a weekend full of helping friends.

But I got invited to a lot of cookouts and family oriented parties too. Married women hate having a single guy around. It seemed I was always getting 'fixed up' with someone's niece, daughter, friend etc.

Using your talents to get yourself out there is one way to meet folks. Doesn't matter if you're a computer guy, car mechanic, or what.

(klingsor is really 6'3"!? damn)

[Resolute]

(klingsor is really 6'3"!? damn)

lorl (laughing out really loud).

[Resolute]

I'm very mechanically inclined. I've always been a car nut. I can wire a house easily. I built my own addition. I plumb, weld, sweat copper, roof, pour concrete.....yada, yada etc.

wow,very impressive indeed john.

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wow,very impressive indeed john.

No, no I didn't mean for it to sound that way. (I'm really not a good writer)

I just wanted to point out everyones got some sort of talents, and those talents can be used to help others which can reflect back on you. One can even end up meeting a few level headed ladies out of it.

[Resolute]

@Resolute

I agree that the studies all have potential weaknesses: in those based on self measurements, the average is always higher - which indicates that men have a tendency to exaggerate or generously round up their measurements. Also, there is a possibility that the measuring technique might be somewhat inconsistent between different men.

In those studies where doctors or researchers do the measurements there is a likelihood (in my opinion a strong likelihood) that the sample is biased to some degree. Those men who are bigger than average are (possibly) disproportionately more likely to volunteer for such studies. Those men who are below average are (almost certainly) disproportionately less likely to volunteer.

There was one study (done on Italian military recruits, I believe) where participation was possibly compulsory AND the measurements were done by doctors. The average for that study was (surprise surprise!) the lowest out of all the studies I've seen - not much over 5", if I remember right.

It's possible that the average for white men could be nearer to 5" than to 6" - I wouldn't discount that possibility entirely.

(Looking at all of the studies, though, there does seem to me to be a consensus around the 5.5"-6" range.)

wow,another reason not to enlist.

as for the disproportionate volunteering,i totally agree.

of course,i'm still waiting for jessie to come lay down the law,and set us straight with numbers,stats,references,videos etc..

and he does it in such an irrefutable manner too,darn it.

it's mostly because i don't understand all those complex calculations he makes,and/or references,lol.

Edited August 11, 2014 by resolute

[Resolute]

No, no I didn't mean for it to sound that way. (I'm really not a good writer)

I just wanted to point out everyones got some sort of talents, and those talents can be used to help others which can reflect back on you. One can even end up meeting a few level headed ladies out of it.

i know what you meant,and what a humble fella you are,but it's still impressive.

i'm not that good at any of those things,heck i'm useless in most technical stuff,but on the bright side,i'm good at hiring talented guys,like you .

edit: and there's nothing wrong with your writing,don't sell yourself short.

Edited August 10, 2014 by resolute

[Guest Klingsor]

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[Victimorthecrime]

Klingsor - you write & argue well, have you ever considered law school?

As for this other stuff, the sexual jungle out there is brutal on everyone. Even those that get laid a lot are negatively impacted because it is really difficult for them to commit to one person.

I sometimes wonder if the biggest lie of all is that life could ever be good.

[Guest Klingsor]

I sometimes wonder if the biggest lie of all is that life could ever be good.

Sublime. Truly sublime.

[Resolute]

You've missed the mark yet again, Resolute. You've taken what I said literally instead of trying to understand what I was attempting to illustrate - the questions you pose can be constructed a million hypothetical different ways and you're no nearer to proving anything objectively. But since you seem to think literally, I'll give a literal response to your questions.

I'm not talking about basketball. I'm talking about being attractive to the opposite sex. And it's legitimate to ask how many professional basketball players have small dicks using one of the many size distribution studies. Perhaps the results of this study would show that there is a positive correlation between professional athletes and big dicks? A short guy with a big dick is not built to play basketball, but he is built to please women. Essentially you're asking whether a woman would choose fame and money over great sex - I'll admit I have no idea which she'd choose. Most want to have their cake and eat it too so I suspect she'd marry the athlete and fuck around with the non-professional-basketball-player-short-guy-with-the-big-dick to achieve that elusive orgasm. And I have no talent for basketball so the question is meaningless to me.

I have another great anecdotal story for this one. I knew a guy my age briefly who was in a wheelchair from a car accident. Otherwise he was great looking, upper body in great shape, and a very charming, almost snake-like charismatic personality. This guy could effortlessly get pussy whenever he wanted it. Because I've been hyperalert to the subject of penis size and sex all my life, I will come right out and ask women pointed questions if given the right opportunity. I asked one of the women I knew he'd slept with why did she find him attractive and could he even have sex, and she said he was "just so cute and I felt sorry for him and I wanted to take care of him" and as for the sex, she finally admitted after much cajoling that he had a big one and that it was great because she could just get on top and ride for as long as she wanted because his stamina was phenomenal.

As for the actor/director question, this is similar to the basketball one. You have taken my arguments and twisted them to make it sound as if I am suggesting that a big dick makes anything possible. I never said that. I said that for anything I can do or change, anyone with a big dick is equally capable of doing as well, but I am not capable of increasing my penis size. All things being equal, ceteris paribus, the guy with the big dick wins out every time.

You keep bringing up my height. It counts for very little. In addition to a small member, I also have Crohn's disease which means I have to be hyper vigilant as to the foods I eat because it constantly feels like a family of puffer fish have made a home in my gut. Because of this, I am very, very slim which is unattractive on a tall man and almost looks emaciated. I can't gain weight by working out because to do that would mean I had to eat the things that cause torment to my insides. To add further insult to injury, the inflammation in my guts is systemic and affects other parts of my body - in particular I get severe breakouts of acne on my back which means I never ever take my shirt off in public because it looks like I have some sort of disease. I missed out on all those trips to the beach. I guess I can look forward to shitting out my esophagus in 10 years.

I'm tired of debating this with you. You've accepted the Disney version of reality that we all matter and we all have something to offer, and nothing I say will change it. I have absolutely nothing to offer in the realm of mating and romance, and next to nothing in any other avenue of life. You may be willing to argue otherwise, but an attractive young women in her prime wanting to fuck would barely have the time to offer a sympathetic glance.

Before I leave this thread, would you be willing to share what your actual size is?

ok,before anything,i wanna say that i'm not trying to debate with you klingsor;yes i did say i could be a pro debater if i wanted,but that's not my intent here.

the reason i wanna argue,or rather converse with you,and others on this matter,and other such matters,is because oftentimes i'm moved by the amount of pain or agony that some are going through.

so i ask that you not leave this thread just yet.

i truly sympathize and empathize with you on your conditions.and trust me,i have many of my own,so not new ground for me.

i think i get where your coming from,so i'm gonna abandon that argument in favor of another one.

so if i understand you correctly,what you're trying to say is: since penis size is the most important thing to women sexually,it's pointless to try to improve other areas of one's life,because ultimately,when it comes down to it,penis size will almost always be the deciding factor in women's choice in a sexual partner.

my response: simply,nonsense.it's certainly not the most important thing sexually to all women,and not even most women.yes,to some women for sure,maybe even many women;but not all or most.

your mind seems to be -unknowingly- imagining penises -and their size- independently of whom to they're attached;and that's not how most women,or the world works.

as for "all things being equal",well,things are never equal,so you're the one using hypothetical,or even impossible scenarios.

i put an effort to try to understand your view on the topic,i hope you do the same,cheers.

p.s,

sorry,no can do on my actual size,i hope you appreciate that this is a forum for people suffering from an actual or perceived small penis,and it would be inappropriate for me to post my measurements here.

Edited August 11, 2014 by resolute

[NoOneImportant]

What the hell. I hoped i would find some hope but you're all lost like me. So i'm just gonna die alone right?

[nytaiji]

NoOneImportant...I truly believe that the average female will accept a small penis (perceived or real). However, "accept" is the key word. That means that she will accept you as you are, small penis and all, but you will have to have something to "make-up" for it. Physical looks (body, face, style), demeanor, humor, wit, intelligence, money, etc. When a woman is looking to spend the rest of her life with a man, those things are more important to the average female. The ones that are seeking just sexual fulfillment past their 20's are sluts. And some poor bastard is gonna be chronically cheated on. I read about a study that was done that somehow concluded that men with large dicks get cheated on more. I can't help but to think that if that is true, then the women that choose larger penises may be more sexual than the average female and perhaps not someone you want to marry anyway. I don't know. But imagine for a second that you could have any girl you wanted. And you're used to only dating super models. Then you meet a less attractive girl that you just click with perfectly. Would you write her off because you won't be as turned on by her in the bedroom? If your only goal is getting her into the bedroom, then yes. But if you're looking for something more, then there are so many other attributes to take into consideration.

[Guest Klingsor]

£ £ £

[Jessie]

arsenic laced vimto?

[Senior penor]

[Guest Klingsor]

arsenic laced vimto?

I prefer V-8 with a dash of hemlock. I call it the Socrates Sizzler.

[Victimorthecrime]

I prefer V-8 with a dash of hemlock. I call it the Socrates Sizzler.

Order a pitcher, I'm in after reading that last post.