another more realistic penile size preference chart

[Senior penor]

http://eroticzeitgeist.com/2013/01/22/yes-women-prefer-a-bigger-one/#comments

it seems a lot more realistic than the "authentic womens preferred penis size chart"

Might help some here

[Wutty3]

Yep...seen that chart graph before.;; a bit more realistic I suppose...does me no good though...at 4x4 inches I'm still in "no woman's land" . If I take the "unicorns farting rainbows out their asses" outlook I guess I'm in the same boat as the Max Morecoques of the world at 10.5x6.5 inches right?

[Victimorthecrime]

Not sure if it is a good thing or not but people today seem to be sick & tired of "expert opinion" in just about any area & will reject it just to make a point.

Thanks to porn & internet trolls guys believe that women want a dick that is at least 7X6" and I don't see anything shaking that belief.

The rational side of me does not believe that is true for the simple reason that if that is what women wanted, well what would stop them from having it in today's photo-phone internet world?

[PenisTruth]

Not sure if it is a good thing or not but people today seem to be sick & tired of "expert opinion" in just about any area & will reject it just to make a point.

Thanks to porn & internet trolls guys believe that women want a dick that is at least 7X6" and I don't see anything shaking that belief.

The rational side of me does not believe that is true for the simple reason that if that is what women wanted, well what would stop them from having it in today's photo-phone internet world?

What prevents all women from being with a man 7x6? The simple fact that almost every man is under 7x6".

The more rare being a girth close to 6" rather than a length close to 7".

People can presume as they wish but it was never said women want at least 7x6, the point is that for the most common size of vagina in women, that amount of penis would most likely (and only likely, not certainly) give the optimum feeling of fullness WITHOUT discomfort. It is simply a case of what most comfortably fills a common human-size vagina for intercourse.

As this other chart suggest, more plausibly the range begins at 5.5" x 4.5" and goes up to 7" x 5.75".

In all seriousness it is important to grasp that those making the 7x6 argument are stating that is a the optimal *MAXIMUM*. With increases beyond that leading to more probable discomfort rather than better feel.

I think that at that volume another quarter of an inch makes very little difference so you could go to 7.5" x 6.25" and most women would feel it was much the same experience.

HOWEVER something that gets overlooked too often on here: there is no such thing as 'a woman' every person is built different and has a different focus... what is comfortable for one person is unsuitable for another.

For some women 5-6" x 5-4" will be a more comfortable proposition.

Here's the tough news for all concerned: even though they are outside the most probable comfort, the exceptionally large penises impress. We as animals just respond to size.

How many of us have not been captivated by size matters such as which was the most massive land animal, sea animal or even insect or dinosaur?

But that is all it is. An inborn curiosity. It won't sustain a relationship.. and women do know this.

When you're in a negative state of mind you are tuned to focusing on negative commentary that fits into your negative view of what is possible. It is like how a frequency will resonate with a particular tuning fork.

[Victimorthecrime]

Well Truth I hear what you saying but how do you explain the incredible number of websites like 7 or better where guys show off the goods for hook up purposes?

If it's so rare how do you explain that just about every woman has a story of an encounter w a huge one?

And it is not a one for one proposition: one young guy can keep a lot of women busy.

Also, anyone who remembers Statistics 101 recalls that knowing the "average" stat of any given population offers a limited view if not accompanied by the median value. So for example the average might be 6" but the median length might be 7". Also a better average is obtained if the outliers are disposed of, meaning the upper & lower 2% values are discarded in order to better represent the majority of the population.

But don't get me wrong here Truth I like your positivity & agree that size (big or small preference) is but one of a multitude of things that women consider in a committed relationship. Personally I suspect some guys use size as a way to avoid the risks inherent in intimacy. That is not a shot at anyone, there is no law mandating intimacy & frankly i think intimacy is overrated but that's just me.

[PenisTruth]

Absolutely size is but one factor. Now for some people it is more of a make or break factor.

I can empathise with the fact that people have been through experiences that leave them feeling justified at being bitter, but do realise that for every woman with some shallow preference for size on a man's body, or body parts, there is also a man doing the very same thing in the women that he screens as potential mates or lovers.

Here's the Truth:

people are fickle

people can be shallow,

BECAUSE

people don't really know what they want,

people want things that it takes plenty of wisdom to comprehend how to achieve

AND

people are rarely wise or have sufficient judgement about how to experience what would most fulfill them

Women want to feel loved, cherished, desired, acknowledged and claimed. Which of those they feel the need for most strongly can fluctuate somewhat depending on which part of their reproductive cycle they are on.

None of that requires a particular size of penis.

BUT if you can get your penis to 5.5" x 4.5" then so long as you are passionate about the woman you are with, and she feels it, you would have little urge to post on this forum again due to the joy you'd have in your life.

Personally I advocate and seek intimacy. I think that soul to soul connection is like nothing else you can live.

[Victimorthecrime]

Wow I totally agree Skynight. Guys give away too much of their power & self worth just to be in a relationship & the relationship becomes all about "is she happy? If not she might leave you" and "is she having orgasms? If not she might cheat". What a bunch if BS. Guys bring a lot to a relationship & deserve appreciation & respect. We do not deserve to be treated like hired help.

That is one thing good about being my age 51 I am not so desperate for the approval of these women. Oddly I think some of them find that intriguing.

[Wutty3]

"How about us men take back our power and stop worrying about what a woman wants and instead focus on what we want? These women take a shit, brush their teeth, have dandruff, their pussy can stink if they don't wash it. All this obsession about getting the approval of some woman."

The feminist of the world are going to have a shit fit with that line of thinking LOL.

[PenisTruth]

I took this part out of your post because it annoys me. I'm sick and tired of reading and hearing what women want. We men having to do this and that to get the approval of some woman. It's ridiculous all the things men will do just to get a woman just to get some pussy. How about us men take back our power and stop worrying about what a woman wants and instead focus on what we want? These women take a shit, brush their teeth, have dandruff, their pussy can stink if they don't wash it. All this obsession about getting the approval of some woman.

I completely agree with what you say.

That is what is at odds on this forum. As you seem to be aware if you deal with a woman from a place of uncompromising certainty in your manhood, then I doubt a guy being that way would have a need to be posting here.

The context of what I wrote was to illustrate what women seek from the MAN that WANTS to be with them.

We as men have needs from women too. We want to feel wanted, admired, respected, trusted, looked to for leadership etc. whatever the male psychosexual side of the heterosexual interaction is, and which aspect of it we need most varies from person to person and with where we are mentally at the time. (You could think of it varying with your psychological fitness, strength and overall robustness).

The point was to highlight the aspects of maintaining a great relationship with a woman did not include: "and have a 7" x 6" penis".

Being a man is more key than anything you do for her. Knowing what women need emotionally is a great checklist to know whether what you are doing in a relationship is going into something that will really count, or is just the less significant day to day 'busy work' that isn't going to satisfy the primal requirements we all seek form our mates- all based on the psychology of self-esteem by a very insightful psychologist whose name escapes me, look up the psychology of self-esteem on google.

"How about us men take back our power and stop worrying about what a woman wants and instead focus on what we want? These women take a shit, brush their teeth, have dandruff, their pussy can stink if they don't wash it. All this obsession about getting the approval of some woman."

The feminist of the world are going to have a shit fit with that line of thinking LOL.

Having listened and talked to many in the UK you'll find they want men to be men who aspire to the best in women and not to be submissive sycophants to women.

Women are not attracted to suck-ups and pleasers. I would argue neither should you, as a man, find such behaviour desirable coming from women.

If a woman is kissing your ass just to get your approval.. that isn't sexy; what it is, is calculating & manipulative.

(Yeah sure if the woman was hot it would be an ego boost - same for women, that is why they tolerate a hot guy kissing their ass while they are repulsed if a std. looking guy wastes his time doing the same... she wants you to be manly and sexy, not act like a male groupie of hers).

That is one thing good about being my age 51 I am not so desperate for the approval of these women. Oddly I think some of them find that intriguing.

Case in point.

And not only intriguing: attractive.

[PenisTruth]

(double post)

[Wutty3]

http://veinxem.org/c...nisenlargement/

Are you associated with the aforementioned website?

"BUT if you can get your penis to 5.5" x 4.5" then so long as you are passionate about the woman you are with, and she feels it, you would have little urge to post on this forum again due to the joy you'd have in your life."

Since my attempts at penis enlargement failed miserably and cost me a lot of time, energy and money and quite frankly, is a huge stinking pile of bovine feces, how am I supposed to reach those dimensions much less the 7x6 gold standard dick that seems to be "the most satisfying" or "most fun" or whatever else the graph says these thousands of women cream their jeans over?

[PenisTruth]

http://veinxem.org/c...nisenlargement/

Are you associated with the aforementioned website?

"BUT if you can get your penis to 5.5" x 4.5" then so long as you are passionate about the woman you are with, and she feels it, you would have little urge to post on this forum again due to the joy you'd have in your life."

Since my attempts at penis enlargement failed miserably and cost me a lot of time, energy and money and quite frankly, is a huge stinking pile of bovine feces, how am I supposed to reach those dimensions much less the 7x6 gold standard dick that seems to be "the most satisfying" or "most fun" or whatever else the graph says these thousands of women cream their jeans over?

hello again Wutty.

No I am not associated with any site, or company. I'm just the son of a scientist applying his upbringing to an area he ran into.

Had I not done this for myself I'd be skeptical about its possibility too. Having optimised the process to months instead of years, I am confident I could post my 'final goal' announcement (7"-7.5" x 6-6.25") before the end of this year. I want to get this out the way so I can get the time it takes back for other things (you do need an hour to two hours 5-7 times a week, but I find it functions as time to unwind). The difference from where I am now to the goal size I aim for, is the same proportional or % gain you'd be looking to make to get to 5.5" x 4.5"

I stand behind everything I've proposed 100%. I have nothing to hide or any vested interest.

I've already posted the truthful and frank account of how I came to this field, and this forum.

It is a genuine shame to hear that you went with other's advice etc. and it didn't work out for you, to the point that they made you feel it was impossible.

(From the misconceptions I've seen posted on the PE forums & what I've seen in my personal experience, cell adaptation will not take place or will take place at such a reduced rate as to be undetectable within a reasonable span of time because:

1. people are not listening to their body... the tale of Goldilocks is a great analogy for how all living things respond, namely as everything they are exposed to being either,

too little, too much or just right - it seems fairly critical for optimal cellular addition that you do things as much within the 'just right' range as possible.

2. connected to above, people are either under or over stimulating their penis, and in the later case not allowing for recovery

3. People are disregarding stretching to allow cells to be added without the ligaments impeding the room for growth (ligaments won't increase in size as the growth factors for this won't be produced). People are also disregarding that like everything else in the body growth involves chemical reactions in the cell. There must be a ready supply of the required nutrients, and I don't mean just the typical nutrients you would need to maintain a good diet. PLUS the mode the body is in is dependent on the endocrine system and its communication pathway through the bloodstream.

Now you don't have to do all those to get cell adaptation to take place, but dependent on your age, I understand that some of that will be more critical than it will be for a man of a different age, as hormone levels and the level of certain nutrients produced by the body can fall off exponentially with age. Cell adaptation is not merely a mechanical process: THAT is the misconception sold by much of the so called Enlargement industry, and that is bullshit.

From the checkpoints above you may be able to look back and evaluate for yourself which of the required components was most lacking from the approach you went with.)

If you aren't or can't work on cell adaptation then there is the other route of become the most engaging lover (and by that I don't mean the most accomodating but on the contrary the most challenging and captivating version of yourself) that you can be. That is the approach guys like Alex Allman advocate. You may be aware of him already else look him up on YouTube. He seems to argue against the possibility of penis adaptation too.

Personally, my view is more all or nothing, so I want to be the most challenging / captivating lover I can be for my partner, because I get a lot from meeting all that she is as a woman with all that I can be as a man... femininity makes masculinity chime most sincerely and vice-versa.. I find that the most thrilling aspect of being alive and heterosexual.

I am hoping that having a penis that fills a woman more will compound that experience; in the end I think it is just more likely to make it different.. I shall see and if I'm not completely put off posting here.. .I'll post on it.

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>>>If it's so rare how do you explain that just about every woman has a story of an encounter w a huge one?<<< Snipped

I've noticed this and even brought it up before.

You never read a woman saying "Well, I've never had a large penis and I simply don't want one."

Even when a woman's trying to be reassuring it's always "I've had a 9"er before and I just found it to be uncomfortable. I far prefer a smaller one.

Seems like every female out there just HAS to try a thermos bottle (bit of sarcasm there) sized penis just to say they've done it.

(Unfortunately even my wife falls into this category.)

[Senior penor]

According to the world map in this link ... my Length @ 17.2 cm means im a big boy However my Girth (which isnt covered on the world map even though it is extremely important in determining penis size) @ 11.5 cm means I am small

[Senior penor]

According to the graph ... I should do alright as my size is just on the red and that is supposed to be "most fun"

But I dont really believe that crap .... who would want a long thin penis banging the cervix but not touching the sides

[PenisTruth]

According to the graph ... I should do alright as my size is just on the red and that is supposed to be "most fun"

But I dont really believe that crap .... who would want a long thin penis banging the cervix but not touching the sides

You're wrong. You're fine.

and that is world map is titled 'Penis Length Worldwide' and does not include Penis Girth; so how you managed to interpret your that it said anything negative about your girth... speechless.

[Senior penor]

You're wrong. You're fine.

and that is world map is titled 'Penis Length Worldwide' and does not include Penis Girth; so how you managed to interpret your that it said anything negative about your girth... speechless.

I didnt interpret anything about my Girth from the map ... I already know that 4.5" puts me in Thin territory, and I know that this is undesirable to certain "ladies" due to lack of volume

[Jessie]

a meta study put girth as 4.7-5.3 for a white guy with the av at 5.

for a black guy the girth is significantly wider according to Sarah Cox.

[Victimorthecrime]

A google of Sarah Cox reveals an attention junkie making "controversial" comments on radio (you still have radio in Britain? Lol) twitter, FB, in an attempt to raise her digital profile so keep that in mind. Now that now does not preclude her from being right so who knows? Maybe she's done her homework

I always come back to my favorite expression "it is what it is".

To Penis Truth's points: if you have something makes wee wee's bigger than get to patent office because you will be rich. A note of caution regarding herbal supplements that profess to make your dick bigger: what else will it make bigger? Prostate? Breasts? Blood pressure?

[Jessie]

ha ha sorry I meant Tracey Cox!

my bad….

[PenisTruth]

ha ha sorry I meant Tracey Cox!

my bad…

lol @ Sarah Cox ; D

...To Penis Truth's points: if you have something makes wee wee's bigger than get to patent office because you will be rich. A note of caution regarding herbal supplements that profess to make your dick bigger: what else will it make bigger? Prostate? Breasts? Blood pressure?

Thanks for the idea but you can't patent science. Which is why people seem to fall back on putting out so many kinds of unnecessary product... (some may instigate some kind of change I just haven't found one that can make a good argument as to it being needed. The pills can certainly make an argument for older guys as you need bloodflow at youthful levels to the penis tissues... just that you can do this with natural food supplements and don't need any kind of magic pill).

Such side effects are not likely Victim, the body isn't that simple... it isn't a case of, "I'm growing this, so other parts must grow"... this is the body as unintelligent machine. The body is alive... the information in its DNA has been billions of years in the making.

There are many growth factors in many body systems which are instigated by HGH, so it isn't that trivial ; )

Lots of people have a process for cell addition to the penis tissues. It seems what I'm applying is one of the fastest and most based on first principles of body function.

Thanks for the caution though.

[dvnJ22]

Oh god, we already know how all women are. Why post this?

[Victimorthecrime]

"Thanks for the idea but you can't patent science." The definition of a patent is a sole right to an invention and an invention is an application of science. I'll just leave it at that and hope that folks know the difference between science & pseudo science.

[Guest Klingsor]

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[Resolute]

@ klingsor,

sometimes it's very difficult understanding what you're trying to say.

but i agree that:

Statistics are notoriously manipulable, especially when you move beyond using them for something like quality control of spoon manufacturing and into complex systems like human beings. Statistics itself as a branch of mathematics is not pure mathematics, it is a branch of applied mathematics that is open to any interpretive bias one is creative enough to give to it. Anyone who allows themselves to be swayed by statistics is either ignorant of how they work or is practicing a very insidious and self-destructive form of autosuggestion.