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Hello all,

I just joined this forum. And yeah, went straight to this section. Red several pages of topics, and still going... It is so sad to see so much pain and hoplessness due to something that nature imposed over us. I, too, have same problem to worry about.

But I should start from the beginning. You may not believe it, but I was one of these few guys who didn't measure own penis up until university. It never worried me because I really never thought about girls preference on this issue, and what's even more ironic, I thought that I'm considerably above average. Maybe I was lucky enough not to have a "locker room" situation.

Got myself a girlfriend at 17, and been with her till I was 21. The relationship was complicated, and in the end, she cheated with another guy. Well, not exactly in the end. We still were together for a year while she was having sex with him, because I, being naive, never suspected anything. But I did notice that sex became different: she became much more loose down there, and was obviously less satisfied than before.

In the end, she told me the truth. She told me that the other guy was 8 inches in length, and that after him, sex with me was "like with a 10-year old boy" (yeah, I know... She wasn't very nice). At first I thought that she was lying to hurt me more, but in time I realized that this was the reason why she was much more loose. So probably she told me the truth.

Breaking-up was extremely painful for me, but I did it anyway, I couldn't let myself become some kind of cucold. I tried to regain my confidence, and it took me nearly two years. It took me a year since breaking-up to gather enough courage to measure myself down there, and see where I stand on the average chart. As you can imagine, my heart sank to the heels and my heart started to swimming. I stared at the ruller and couldn't believe. It said 4.6 inches. Whole inch below average.

Now I know this may seem not so bad as compared to some other men here on this forum, but imagine living up until early twenties, believing that you are much bigger that most guys, and then the reality slaps you in the face.

Of course, as probably every man here, I started searching whole wide internet for any ways to increase penis size.

There was only one answer. Nothing you can do. Deal with it.

And there was this whole big white lie about how size doesn't matter, the "motion in the ocean" stuff, and so on. It would take a real imbecile to believe it. The truth was shouting in the face: size matters. Most girls enjoy 7'' and up. If girl had a big partner, she probably won't feel a lot with less-endowed one. She may adjust after a while, but if she experiences big guy again, it will be a new heaven for her.

I swallowed the pain, and tried to deal with it. After two years of being alone, I finally found my dream girl. She was perfect in every way. We immediatelly fell in love. Not more than half-a-year passed until we tried having sex for the first time. Although she was in her middle twenties, she said she was a virgin. That she tried it once with a guy, but he was very uncaring, and extremely well hung, and it was too painful to her - she didn't even lose her virginity. She didn't realize it, poor creature, but her words sank deeply in my heart. Sure, she just couldn't do it with that guy, but... I still wonder if she saw me less of the man, after seeing such large package.

The sex was difficult. My girl was very tight down there, and it took no less than 10 tries (lasting over a month) until we could finally make love. It was very painful for her during this time, and I was still emotionally hurt from my last relationship and thoughts about how small I am down there. These thoughts provoked erectile dysfunction several times. Once, my girl asked if I'm self-concious about my size. Unknown to her, this was another blow to my ego... Even though we never talked on the subject, she WAS aware that I'm below average. Only then I realized that until I met her, I was subconciously searching for a virgin, so that she wouldn't know any better than me...

When she got adjusted, we had lots of amazing sex. She was very, very satisfied. But I couldn't help but notice that some positions were impossible due to my lack of length. Or that during extasy, she cried out "deeper, I beg you!", and I was already as deep as it goes. Or that once she asked "is it in yet?", not realizing that I already was. Or that when she was riding on top for the first time, and I reached so deep inside her as never before, she opened her eyes so wide, stared at me, and said "WOW..." in amaze (leaving me wondering what kind of heavens would she reach if I was at least one inch longer).

That was the moment that I realized - I will never ever escape from my complex, because it isn't just some contrived thing. Bigger is better, and there's no way around it. I can deny as much as I want, but the truth shouts me in the face: if I were bigger, I would never have had all this pain and suffering.

And then was the moment I decided that I WILL find a way, no matter what it takes.

So I went back on the net, and started searching. As one could expect, it is very difficuly to find any non fake information on the subject. This is probably the primary fear of most men, and the society uses that as a leverage to advertise and sell fraud. Mainly, there are two camps - one is proffesional doctors who deny any possibility of penis enlargement except surgery (expensive, dangerous, and prone to side effects), and those who sell magical pills with promisses of results in weeks. My gut feeling told me that both camps are wrong just about the same.

It took me several weeks before I could find information that didn't stink of fraud - training programs of stretching and jelqing (squeezing blood to the flaccid penis from the shaft to the head), along with some nutrition advice. I wasn't sure if the information was credible, but there was no "BUY NOW" button, so I decided to try.

One thing was certainly true - it is possible to enlarge your pens, and by a great margin, HOWEVER, it takes A LOT of time, effort and patience, and if done incorrectly, it may lead to injury or erectile dysfunction. I started one of these programs. Made some mistakes along the way, luckily, not too serious. Even though I did this, I was still highly skeptic of the whole deal - I was wondering if all these people, including me, are just waisting time and risking their health, while lying to each other on their achievements to encourage others (with hope that it might work for SOME).

After a rigorous training for 2 months, with my heart pounding in fear, I took the ruler again. Measured 4.8 inches. 0.2 inches in two months (working every other day, for about 15 minutes). I was still skeptic - maybe it's just natural fluctuations in length due to numerous factors. But it encouraged me enough to continue.

After half a year, I measured my penis 5.2 inches, and right now, it is 5.5. Though it was extremely hard work, very tiring, monotone, uncomfortable, I finally know it is possible. There are not shortcuts, no easy paths for lazybones, but there is a way.

After a while, I was having sex again with my belowed girl, and I finally hit her cervix. She almost blacked out of pleasure, and had her first vaginal orgasm soon after. With her arms around me, she just trembled in satisfaction and couldn't say a word for like what felt like an hour. Afterward she whispered in my ear that the she will be mine forever. I can surely say it was the happiest moment of my life.

And now I can also say that my complex about penis size is starting to fade away. I finally reached what is considered average, and I see no reason to stop there. I feel much more confident, never had a single "can't get it up" situation since then, and my girl begs for sex almost every day. I consider myself lucky that I finally found enough stubborness to filter all the garbage on the internet about the matter, find credible information, and work enough to see the first results.

And this is the reason why I'm posting this to this forum. I was considering to register and post this sooner, but I wanted to make sure that jelqing works, so that I won't become another fraud spammer. This is also the reason why I'm not posting any links or names or anything that could be related to anything profit-seeking. All I can tell is this: google is your friend, all the information needed is out there, and it's out there for free. It might take a while to search, but if you're really want to do this, you're probably gonna have easier time (and hopefully less doubts) than I had.

I know there are a lot of guys here who are desperate about the matter. Much suffering, many sad stories just like mine (or worse), and all the hopelessness. I just wish to contribute what I can. It worked for me, it should work for others as well. It might change lives, as it did for me. I'm just trying to point in the right direction. A piece of warning, though: if you're going to do this, read all about it first, and start carefully. There is damage that can be done if you do it wrong or try to step over your limits.

Well, that's about it. Thank you for those who red up until the end. I really hope it help out at least some of you. I would be glad if anyone could comment on what I wrote :)

"The person who says something is impossible should not interrupt the person who is doing it.”

Chinese proverb

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On some level I feel like I will always feel about jelqing the way I do about hallucinogens. There are people who say that it's possible to do it safely if you aren't stupid, and that all of the horror stories aren't necessarily true as long as you take the right precautions, but I'm too indoctrinated into the mentality that it's dangerous to ever try. One story about a man completely losing function is enough on its own. The fact that there is no research at all on the lasting effects of it? No god damn way.

I'm very happy for you if this story is true, but ultimately the first thing I thought after reading this was "what if his penis stops working ten or fifteen years earlier than it would have if he had not done this? What if it stops sooner?" No one knows what this really leads to.

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On some level I feel like I will always feel about jelqing the way I do about hallucinogens. There are people who say that it's possible to do it safely if you aren't stupid, and that all of the horror stories aren't necessarily true as long as you take the right precautions, but I'm too indoctrinated into the mentality that it's dangerous to ever try. One story about a man completely losing function is enough on its own. The fact that there is no research at all on the lasting effects of it? No god damn way.

I understand. Well, I think of it this way: in many respects it is very similar to working out (I know that penis is not a muscle, and that working out and jelqing works in very different ways, but other things are similar). When you work out, you get results. If you do it wrong, you may get minor results or none at all. If you do it very wrong, you may injure yourself. There are also horror stories about people getting disabled after accidents in gym. Actually, you can find horror stories in almost any kind of physical activity. So yes, there are risks, but as long as you are informed and careful, this shouldn't happen to you. At least that's how I see it.

For example, I am a musician (guitar player) by proffesion. Every day I practice to the borderline, near my limits, potentially risking injuries to my hands. There are horror stories about how some guitarists (and other players) stepped over the line, and had injuries that ended their carreers. However, if such stories would stop me from practising, I would never achieve anything. They just make me more aware of the importance of safety. Same with PE.

Problem is that information on jelqing is really in it's early stages as of now. It doesn't make things easier for those who attempt it. Count in the whole scam and fraud that is on the internet about the subject, and one can get completely lost. As I've said, it took me a long time to filter it out.

It would be great if some serious medical organization would conduct tests on this. However, it would be very difficult and time consuming. You'd have to have several control groups that would include people with various physical features, genetics, health states, of different ages, dietary habits, and so on. You'd have to have them under surveilance for many years while they attempt jelqing. Also, you would have to supply them with credible information so that they don't injure themselves and sue you. And in the end you'd have to filter out other influences (natural growth due to age, diseases, and so on).

So I'm not surprised that jelqing isn't medically proved yet. That doesn't make it any less possible, just not so well documented.

I'm very happy for you if this story is true, but ultimately the first thing I thought after reading this was "what if his penis stops working ten or fifteen years earlier than it would have if he had not done this? What if it stops sooner?" No one knows what this really leads to.

I believe human body has a way of telling that you're doing harm to it. It's not like penis is gonna snap in two after a usual routine with no signs before. There'd be pain, signs of erectile dysfunction way before permanent damage is done. Unless, of course, you're tying bricks to your member.

But even if you're right, I'd take quality over quantity any time...

I really do hope that someday a proper research will be conducted to prove this technique, giving hope to millions, and telling of a proven way to do it safely... But I'm not willing to wait that long. I'd rather do something myself.

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Why post BS statements like "girls like 7" and up"? That's porn mythology. You just said that your girlfriend has had an amazing change of heart now that you have made it to 5.5". Why not stop there if yours still works?

I have something close to 5.5", and I know for sure that the women I've been with (granted, only a few) think it's perfect size. I have no desire to increase it by even a millimeter.

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umm… surely you all know the 1st post is BS?

A guy who never measured? and at 4.6 thought he was big?…. nonsense.

Its a carefully crafted post (with lots of tiny details nicked from real life sufferers all over the web) to get us all onto PE programs.

One of the main ways some PE companies get customers is to infiltrate sites like this…. you have been warned…

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umm… surely you all know the 1st post is BS?

A guy who never measured? and at 4.6 thought he was big?…. nonsense.

Its a carefully crafted post (with lots of tiny details nicked from real life sufferers all over the web) to get us all onto PE programs.

One of the main ways some PE companies get customers is to infiltrate sites like this…. you have been warned…

ya,specially this part :"After a while, I was having sex again with my beloved girl, and I finally hit her cervix. She almost blacked out of pleasure, and had her first vaginal orgasm soon after. With her arms around me, she just trembled in satisfaction and couldn't say a word for like what felt like an hour. Afterward she whispered in my ear that the she will be mine forever. I can surely say it was the happiest moment of my life." , for crying out loud,pun intended.

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Um... Guys, I'm not lying. I'm not trying to get you into doing anything. It's your choice. I just thought that some of the information I wrote might give hope to someone like me. I swear on my mother, every word I've written is true. It isn't BS.

If I can't believe, I'll repeat what I emphasized earlier: don't ever, EVER buy anything from anyone with promisses of PE. If there is a way, it is do-it-yourself, and all the info is free in the internet, you just have to filter it out.

Believe me, if I wanted to get you into something, I wouldn't have spent like 2 hours writing my life story just to finish it with "never buy anything".

P.S. The only thing I DO want to promote is a change of attitude: solve your problems, instead of living with them. That's all.

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Granted, you did not promote any specific product, aluc24, but the way you wrote the story sounded like an advertisement to me.

I have no opinion on jelqing's efficacy, but I won't do it. I am trying to stay away from masturbation as much as possible, because it degrades my sexual performance. Plus I have learned (as you have) that my penis size of over 5" does the job just fine. You should quit while you're ahead.

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Yes, I know my story is quite similar to those who promote fake stuff. But that's the main difference: in every end of such story, there is a link to some website offering magic pills or at least some excercise DVD. I could link to what information I found, but I certainly won't, because if I do, then I won't be any different from these scams. So unless every PE industry has hired me, or some sort of my belief that selling people false hope is a good thing makes me waste time on such forums, I don't see what I could be advertising.

It may seem so just because I'm happy with what I achieved and what it has given me. I'm not saying that my girlfriend was ice-cold before I started jelqing and jumped to seven heavens in a moment's split. No. Sex was good even when I was 4.6'', she said that it is amazing. It's only that I felt that there's more to it, that it could be better if I were just a bit bigger down there. And yes, in the end, the difference is noticable. Of course, there are other factors (practice, getting to know each other better, relaxation, building trust, and so on).

So it is within norm right now, but why would I quit? I feel I can still gain more length and girth, so as long as I see no danger in this activity, I'm continuing. Trust me, I'm no idiot, I leave a huge safety margin. But it's not "quit as soon as you can" for me. If it works, I'll do it, same as I would do in gym or while practicing my instrument. If one day I'll see that there are side effects, or that my girl will tell me that it starts to hurt (I certainly doubt it!), I will stop jelqing.

As for masturbation, yes, I noticed it degrades performance somewhat, if done too often (depends on age, I red). I try to masturbate no more than 2-3 times a week. Too often, and performance with girl degrades. Too rarely - and I'm too sensitive with girl to last long.

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i did Jelqing/weights and starching...for over a year and never gained anything. Don't get me wrong there where some very very minimal gains, but at that rate i would need to do this crap for 15 years to be where i want to be...

There is no hope for small dick man, accept it and live some medicare life with a substandard women who sucks at sex and most likely has very serious mental problems. Or just be a bitter rotten bastard till you die all alone and your cats eat you...(i chose the bitter bastard way) There is no option three at this point until they can increase penis size with surgery in a safe effective way.

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I found one stretch that seems to yield some very minimal gains & even if it is all in my head so be it, better than doing nothing. However any rational thinker would have to agree that if there were anything that offered inches of gain it would be huge unprecedented news so I gotta call bullshit on that.

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i did Jelqing/weights and starching...for over a year and never gained anything. Don't get me wrong there where some very very minimal gains, but at that rate i would need to do this crap for 15 years to be where i want to be...

There is no hope for small dick man, accept it and live some medicare life with a substandard women who sucks at sex and most likely has very serious mental problems. Or just be a bitter rotten bastard till you die all alone and your cats eat you...(i chose the bitter bastard way) There is no option three at this point until they can increase penis size with surgery in a safe effective way.

That's a very negative attitude you have there... You say you have tried it for a year - how consistently? Every day? Every other day? What was your routine like?

I found one stretch that seems to yield some very minimal gains & even if it is all in my head so be it, better than doing nothing. However any rational thinker would have to agree that if there were anything that offered inches of gain it would be huge unprecedented news so I gotta call bullshit on that.

True, if it were easy, there would be a breakthrough in media. But as of now, it seems that it works for some, while it doesn't work for others, and with all the variants in between.

Again, I would like to compare this to working out in gym. Some people are easy gainers, some are hard. However, many of these hard gainers, while trying very hard, do something wrong, and therefore don't receive expected results even after a long time. Sometimes adapting a routine can make all the difference.

Maybe it's similar to jelqing. I believe it should be possible to do for everyone, but certainly there is no single routine that works for everybody. If what I'm doing now wouldn't work, I would try different excercises. But I don't blame those who quit. I guess it's just a matter of how much risk are you willing to take, and how important it is for you to get these results.

Again, if there were more credible and trusted information, it would be so much easier for these hard gainers to find what works best for them, not for some other guy.

There was this guy back in this forum, I could search for his post later today. He said that some people convince themselves that something is possible, and deny any claim of success in that field - true or false - because they feel the need to protect their belief, and sometimes they would almost anything to prove that it is still impossible.

But I'm not blaiming anyone. I remember how skeptical I was before it worked for me. I am kind of "believe it when I see it" guy...

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That's a very negative attitude you have there... You say you have tried it for a year - how consistently? Every day? Every other day? What was your routine like?

Started with newbie routine off thundersplace and progressed from there. I did it enough to create results if it worked but it doesn't or at least not for me. Big waste of time and creates false hopes.

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Started with newbie routine off thundersplace and progressed from there. I did it enough to create results if it worked but it doesn't or at least not for me. Big waste of time and creates false hopes.

Er, I don't know. I certainly don't know enough about the technique to tell why it didn't work. But I really hope there is some kind of routine that would work for you two. The only thing I don't agree is "false hopes" - it DOES work for some... And it may work for others if there was more information available.

As much as it sticks in my craw to do it, I will have to eat a slice of humble pie and agree 100% with Skynight on this. The only people whom jelquing could possibly benefit would be those guys who have an above average amount of girth and want more length.

Well, I was below average (4.6''), and now I'm about average. Of course, if you have more material to work with in the start, it should be easier, but I can't see why it shouldn't be possible for those who are more below average. If some guys claim that 1 inch per year is about what you could expect, that it is around 1/5th of average length. So if you are, let's say, 3'', in year you would gain .6''. This is from top of my head, not really sure if that's how it works, but it makes sense to me.

Anyone who has ever worked with metal understands this. I can take a piece of stock 3" in diameter by 12" in length, and I can hammer (jelq) that piece of stock out to say 2-3' depending on the metal, but the gains I've made in length came at the cost of width because I'm working with a fixed volume of material. I started with a short, thick piece of stock and ended up with a long, skinny piece. Take your pick.

Is the promoter of this technique suggesting that by jelquing somehow the body miraculously stimulates new tissue growth in the penis? A penis is not made of muscle, and you can't enlarge it by 'training' it like a muscle. If you could, this forum wouldn't exist.

Well, I saw guys claim that they increased BOTH length and girth. I don't know how much truth is there in their words, but I do know that my girth also increased - just not so noticably much as length. "Experts" on jelqing claim that girth gains are much harder and take much longer. Again, I don't know enough to have an opinion of how it works.

But I remember reading about some African tribe which believes that a long neck is very beautiful for women, so women place many metal rings on their necks, slightly stretching it, and add more rings over time. In many years, the neck becomes very long. You can search for it on google, but it's very creepy stuff.

And neck is composed of both muscle, bones, tissue, backbone, veins, and so on. All that can stretch over time. Neck becomes somewhat thinner, yes, but not enough to accout for increased length.

If such a complex part of human body can adapt to stretching and lengthen itself, I can't see why penis couldn't, muscle, tissue or whatever else it'd be made out of. Human body is very adaptable. (Not that I suggest using rings! :D )

, and you can't enlarge it by 'training' it like a muscle.

Well, I cannot guarantee that it will work for everyone, as some guys here say they tried and failed, but I can certainly say it worked for me, or my ruler miraculously shrinked.

P.S. And are you sure tissue cannot grow? It does during teen years, after all. Due to other reasons, I know, but still, it does. Maybe microtrauma or reduced density of cells makes body to try to replace original density. I may be completely wrong, but just guessing!

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According to the medical sites I visited the penis has 'smooth' muscle tissue which by definition cannot be built up.

You cannot increase the tissue by growth after puberty- its to do with genetics and hormones (and sometimes external chemical disrupters e.g. phalates or oestrogen in the environment.)

To date there are no peer reviewed clinical studies proving its possible to improve ERECT girth and length without surgery (although surgery is the worst option of all)

So until I see reliable medial evidence then I call BS.

And the 1st guy to 'prove' it works will be richer then Bill Gates…. but dont hold your breath guys…..

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Maybe he just liked the attention or he was 'seeding'.

this is a technique to get people interested who may eventually invest cash later on in the industry.

So competing commercial businesses all benefit if enough seeding is done.

Its what the PE pill industry did for years- it works as a scam very well.

I would finish by saying that anyone claiming a 4x4 turned onto a 8 x 6 is either delusional or lying.

Some say they met aliens and they aren't selling anything- but its still BS.

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According to the medical sites I visited the penis has 'smooth' muscle tissue which by definition cannot be built up.

You cannot increase the tissue by growth after puberty- its to do with genetics and hormones (and sometimes external chemical disrupters e.g. phalates or oestrogen in the environment.)

To date there are no peer reviewed clinical studies proving its possible to improve ERECT girth and length without surgery (although surgery is the worst option of all)

So until I see reliable medial evidence then I call BS.

And the 1st guy to 'prove' it works will be richer then Bill Gates…. but dont hold your breath guys…..

You know, there is this motto which says "everything is possible until proven otherwise". I kinda like it.

You're right about Bill Gates. But as I said in my second post on this topic, it would be very hard thing to prove. A lot of complicated medical studies with very difficult observation and control problems. Still possible (or at least I hope so).

So yeah, it is not proven by medical world. But I have my ruler, and what it tells is real enough for me.

Some men who Jelq do say that they have increased length and girth. The majority of men find it easier to gain length, though a few do report saying they found it easier to gain girth. A man with a long penis will find it much easier to gain length, someone with a shortish penis but with decent girth (5.5) would find it easier to gain girth.

There's men report having little to no gains, and often the men who say this were below average. The majority of men who claim to make crazy gains ( 2 inches in length and over 1 in girth) were already above average. Some of these men are like 7.5 long and 6 girth and yet they still do this and I don't know what the point is. It could be though that the less then average men weren't as patient because they are desperate for a quick solution and gave up when they didn't get results relatively soon, whereas the big or average guys want results but it's not something they are desperate for ASAP and so stick at it and then do get gains. When I used to do these exercises I notice that you often had to find your own routine, because everyone is different in the same way as building muscle in the gym. We need out own specific routine.

There was an exception to small guys. One man on a forum I used to participate in claimed to be 4 x 4 and this was a few years ago, but his measurements now are 8 x 6 according to him. Now he seemed legit and was a good poster, he even gave out free exercise routines, he was a moderator and he had no agenda in terms of making money. He wasn't selling books or videos so if he was lying there would just seem no reason for it other then having psychological issues.

Very interesting thoughts, skynight. Sure, smaller guys have a harder time getting results. But it's still better than doing nothing. About the guy who went from 4x4 to 8x6 - well, that raises an eyebrow or two, but hell, who knows. Maybe it ain't BS. I certainly hope so. Either way, that's an inspiration for me. Can you post a link to that info, please? I'd like to check it out through my own BS filter.

Maybe he just liked the attention or he was 'seeding'.

this is a technique to get people interested who may eventually invest cash later on in the industry.

So competing commercial businesses all benefit if enough seeding is done.

Its what the PE pill industry did for years- it works as a scam very well.

I would finish by saying that anyone claiming a 4x4 turned onto a 8 x 6 is either delusional or lying.

Some say they met aliens and they aren't selling anything- but its still BS.

Well, there is nothing I can say to prove my sincerity, Jessie. That's how internet works. You believe what you chose to believe. I won't say that I don't care - because I do care if people believe me, but only because I'd rather discuss ways to improve our condition than calling BS everyone who might have found some way. With such dismissive attitude, it's pretty hard to find a solution - or believe it when you find it, more like. I hope that our further conversation will soften our distrust.

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The OP in this thread. http://www.pegym.com...er-routine.html

btw what I noticed with me and a few others also mentioned this is they didn't masturbate they days they did these exercises. Not everyone agreed with this idea, but I believe it did work for me. I gained about an inch in a year but then gave up, but I've kept those gains.

Now that's pretty detailed. I haven't stumbled across anything like this before. Makes a lot of sense, and seems credible to me. I'm sure gonna try it. Seems quite long routine, but maybe it's worth it. Maybe you have tried this one? Did it work?

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I find it too time consuming and boring. It used to take me an hour, 2 nights then one off. I might start up the stretching again for 15 minutes but it's not something I really need to do.

Well, if I were 7'', I probably wouldn't see no more reason to jelq...

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