At the risk of annoying people...woman here!

[Jessie]

Jessie,

I agree with you. This was a thought experiment that is just that - a conjecture. It isn't practically realizable because it could never exist.

What I was trying to illustrate is that for every single thing in life, every single thing you see around you right at this very moment, is the result of some tension, some inequality. For it to exist, there had to be some rupture of equilibrium.

This is no clearer than in sexual attraction and humans see it most clearly in this arena. Life is competition, struggle. Truth be told, it isn't even really about the sex. It's only what the sex represents - winning, power, submission, superiority.

If all male's dicks were equally satisfactory, there would have to be something else take it's place. Have to be. Attraction and orgasm are all in the head.

My life consists of attempting to make sense and find a purpose in being a consummate loser while attempting to be "mellow" about it, and it doesn't often work.

Believe me, you should know well enough that I am not attempting to disagree on the importance in our immediate reality the necessity of a big/normal penis.

I do think there is a 'survival of the fittest' thing in life and a competitive tension BUT- I think maybe you have slightly overstated it.

Also any human can be a loser in some depts and a winner in others- rarely is anyone perfect

I know girls that would love your sarcasm and wit, but maybe not your size.

And those same girls would love another guys size but bemoan his shallowness and dullness..

So she makes a decision with her head and heart…

and whilst size IS symbolic and does represent virility and masculinity it is also about physical pleasure and sizes fitting each other…

Some guys will simply be too big for some women and some guys too small.

And the outliers will be the wrong size for virtually everybody…

its life….

[Resolute]

Women have never known what they want. But in the past you had men who had the balls to decide for the woman and she really still wants that. 1-None of this "female empowerment" crap can change biology and the simple fact that a woman wants a strong man to look up to, even if the women (because of all the programming) protest otherwise. 2-Notice how they're always attracted and drawn to a strong male figure. It doesn't always have to be sexual attraction but perhaps just admiration.

1-what about evolution? apparently it can do miracles.

2-it is often sexual as well;like you said,it's in women's nature to be attracted to real men and submit to them.

[Resolute]

Bald is a massive turn off. I mean, it's well known that women always found Sean Connery totally un-sexy! (Irony)

Seriously, is there any guy at all who doesn't have SOME kind of disadvantage??

Ton Cruise....handsome guy, but somewhat short and has weird religious convictions.

Arnold Schwarzenegger....tall and built like a truck, but has the face and brain of a gorilla.

(And that's just two random Hollywood A-listers...!)

arnie's off limits roger,lol.

but seriously i don't think he's ugly,and i really doubt he's stupid.

This is why I've never hired a prostitute. I know I could never get my itty bitty up knowing she is only there for money, not because of me. I prefer masturbation to the headache of a prostitute. Doesn't matter now anyway because I'm impotent.

i also don't get any pleasure if a woman is with me purely for money or something else.

I do think there is a 'survival of the fittest' thing in life and a competitive tension BUT- I think maybe you have slightly overstated it.

Also any human can be a loser in some depts and a winner in others- rarely is anyone perfect

I know girls that would love your sarcasm and wit, but maybe not your size.

And those same girls would love another guys size but bemoan his shallowness and dullness..

So she makes a decision with her head and heart…

and whilst size IS symbolic and does represent virility and masculinity it is also about physical pleasure and sizes fitting each other…

Some guys will simply be too big for some women and some guys too small.

And the outliers will be the wrong size for virtually everybody…

its life….

she makes a decision with her heart or her head,or her pussy.

[Resolute]

I dont think that would happen

Women can take 8x6 with arousal with little issue- even small women- just check a urology manual or porn site.

Its only a problem for really big guys like 11 or 12 inches….

If 8 x 6 was the optimal size for MOST women then most guys would be happy with that….

No guy wants a 2 foot penis- that would be awful…

So there is a limit- the graph tends towards maximum desirability or effectiveness.

Ask most/many very tall men if they could be a little smaller and they would like it- unless their height gave them a financial advantage like basketball

optimal girth can be somehow determined,and let's say it's 6";but length is another matter;why just 8"? what's wrong with 10,11,12 inches? i mean if you can't fit it all in,you don't have to,but the extra inches are there should you need them.of course beyond a certain length it does become ridiculous,but i think up to a foot is reasonable.

[Guest Klingsor]

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[Resolute]

That 9x7 number I threw out there was not arbitrary. I have a picture of a guy complete with size reference in picture (TV remote) of his fully extended member.

I know this guy, have met him, have been to his house. Yes I have seen the very TV remote he used in the photo. He does not know I have this picture. I found it one day on one of those online hookup sites because a mutual friend who went to high school with him told me how much in demand he was when they were in school and how he is addicted to pussy because he has no trouble getting it and cheats on his wife. This dude is married to a beautiful, gorgeous blonde girl, has kids, and still pursues this casual pussy on the side.

I'd bet anything his wife knows it and continues to fuck him just he won't divorce her. Probably turns her on that he's in such high demand.

klingsor,i honestly doubt that an actual 7" girth is "in high demand".

i haven't seen such girth much even in porn,so it's not only not in high demand or pleasurable,but also very painful for the absolute majority of women on the planet.

i think around 6" is the upper limit for "pleasurable" girth.

Edited September 15, 2014 by resolute

[Jessie]

look I will freely admit some girls would PREFER 11 x 7

And for those size queens such guys would be VERY desirable.

But I chose my words carefully… OPTIMUM for MOST.

A recent study put ideal as 6.5 x 'thick'- they didnt specify how thick

now that means BP 7 x 5.5 (largish medium girth)

so thats consistent. THATS what the girls said- if they wanted 11 x 7 they would have said so.

too long can hurt/poke the uterus and too thick means taking ages to be wet enough to take it.

I have heard and read conversations along these lines…. not to argue, with me, you must (in high croaky voice)

[Resolute]

look I will freely admit some girls would PREFER 11 x 7

And for those size queens such guys would be VERY desirable.

But I chose my words carefully… OPTIMUM for MOST.

A recent study put ideal as 6.5 x 'thick'- they didnt specify how thick

now that means BP 7 x 5.5 (largish medium girth)

so thats consistent. THATS what the girls said- if they wanted 11 x 7 they would have said so.

too long can hurt/poke the uterus and too thick means taking ages to be wet enough to take it.

I have heard and read conversations along these lines…. not to argue, with me, you must (in high croaky voice)

jessie,i wouldn't dare question or dispute your position as the foremost authority on penis and vagina stats,numbers,figures,info,etc;but i also chose my words carefully.

i was saying that even if most women don't want (or can't) more than 7 inches inside of them,a guy with a 12 incher can easily give them just 7 inches.

and when he's with a chick who wants/needs more,he can accomodate her as well.

and what about the impressive appearance? wouldn't a 12 incher look more impressive than a 7 incher?

what are your thoughts?

Edited September 16, 2014 by resolute

[Guest Klingsor]

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[Resolute]

Just thought I'd repost this since Wastedlife was saying directly and to the point what I've been trying to long-windedly say all along - and way before I ever stumbled into this forum.

ok,but what is this mountain sheep business?

[Jessie]

jessie,i wouldn't dare question or dispute your position as the foremost authority on penis and vagina stats,numbers,figures,info,etc;but i also chose my words carefully.

i was saying that even if most women don't want (or can't) more than 7 inches inside of them,a guy with a 12 incher can easily give them just 7 inches.

and when he's with a chick who wants/needs more,he can accomodate her as well.

and what about the impressive appearance? wouldn't a 12 incher look more impressive than a 7 incher?

what are your thoughts?

I have heard some women literally gush over 10-11 inchers in real life.

But MORE OFTEN I have heard women say they dont like them, that a slight wrong move is agony and the guy is over confident and it hurts the next day.

And because they can't fully penetrate it compromises positions, and means they can't have pelvis to pelvis contact which women like.

I honest beleive that if women could choose their ideal size 90% would choose 7 over 9 and 99% would choose 9 over 11

or something like that- thats just my guesstimate…

ps 12 is more impressive to some, plain scary to others (according to what I have heard and read- I accept they may have been downplaying their preferences to appear more virtuous…

[Resolute]

I have heard some women literally gush over 10-11 inchers in real life.

But MORE OFTEN I have heard women say they dont like them, that a slight wrong move is agony and the guy is over confident and it hurts the next day.

And because they can't fully penetrate it compromises positions, and means they can't have pelvis to pelvis contact which women like.

I honest beleive that if women could choose their ideal size 90% would choose 7 over 9 and 99% would choose 9 over 11

or something like that- thats just my guesstimate…

ps 12 is more impressive to some, plain scary to others (according to what I have heard and read- I accept they may have been downplaying their preferences to appear more virtuous…

virtuous,right.

[Jessie]

hehe… ok.. yeah… but you know what I mean…

[Resolute]

hehe… ok.. yeah… but you know what I mean…

ya,i get it.it has occurred to me as well.