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"Lies, Damned Lies, and Medical Science (Statistics)"


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I gotta say.....when I came to this forum I was expecting a group of guys that were here to relate, vent, share similar stories, and just overall be miserable together. I don't understand why anyone who doesn't have an issue would even be on this forum. That is, unless they feel like some higher power put them on earth to fix everyone else's problems. How someone can't see how that would be offensive and counter-productive on a forum like this is beyond me. I basically thought I was walking into a therapy room, and I walked into a General Practitioner's office. None of this is helpful. AT ALL!!!

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My comment wasn't directed at you Small. I was just venting my frustration of an overall tone I see all over this forum. I honestly haven't seen a single person react in a positive way toward these statistics debates. I admit that I got wrapped up in it as well. But after awhile I realized that it was making my issue worse. This issue is emotional. There would be no such thing as therapy if you could just logically convince someone to change their feelings. The ONLY thing that does, in this setting, is provide someone with SPS another area in life where he feels he needs to keep quiet about his issue lest he get ridiculed. I'm here to say things that I won't in everyday life.

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I don't know if i should start a new thread for this or not. I'm just having a hard time right now. Just want to complety isolate from everyone. To make a long story short I was told by a former short-lived fling that she dodnt want to tell me if she thought I was small. She's a very open and honest person. But not when its gonna hurt someone. The fact that she didn't respond was enough of an answer for me. This was about a month ago and think its really starting to affect me. I'm depressed and short tempered. No motivation, and just no desire to try hard at anything in my life. Here's the perfect example of how this issue affects our whole lives. Now I know why the fling was short-lived. :( Feels really crappy to be rejected for that. There's more to the story, but I don't want to disclose too much info on here. But before anyone says it could have been another reason rather than dick size, just take my word for it that that's what it is.

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You seem to be ok with it, or have accepted it. That's something I just don't know how to do. Or maybe deep down don't want to. They say its like a grieving process. Anger is a part of it, but I seem to be stuck in that phase amd i just cant get out of it. I think part of me doesn't want to get out of it.

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This is a good point - and is another reason why the University of Indiana study is one of the most compelling, IMO. The fact it took place under the cover of a pilot study into custom fit condoms makes it very likely, at least, that the participants were normally sexually active males.

I think this is also very true. And I think it throws up the real problem which many men have with penis size: the issue isn't whether they are "normal" or "okay", etc; rather they can't seem to get over not being above average. This is, ultimately, perhaps a personality issue more than anything else? (EDIT: I'm not specifically thinking of guys here, BTW. It's clear enough that many posters here really are significantly below average size in terms of length/volume. This is a different situation entirely.)

There is a certain naivety, too, in supposing that all or most women out there would even want a very big penis! Anyone who has 'sailed the seven seas and seen the world' knows that this just aint true. Someone who has spent his life wallowing in porn inspired fantasies would have a more distorted view, no doubt. (EDIT: Yeah, this is a purely personal note, for what it's worth. Probably best avoided. Must learn from Resolute! :-D)

sorry for such late reply roger, but i haven't been on here in a while.

so what is it you must learn from me? :rolleyes:B)

i'm having difficulty understanding it.

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That clip actually doesn't bother me so much. Mostly because she kind of mocked herself a little as well by implying she has a large vagina. I didn't really take any of that as an insult actually. That kind of light-hearted joking I don't find offensive. I just didn't get a feeling of judgment from her. And the audience laughed just as much at her large purse comment. I actually feel like that exchange kind of made light of the size issue.

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All 4 of my GFs dumped me.

(and a short fling- my last sexual contact)

But I do know she loved me deeply - she said so in black and white.

so although it did not end well at least I know I can inspire love - of sorts…

I find this so disheartening. You had a girlfriend that loved you and you pushed her away. I'm sorry if my comments compound your problems but it tells me that even if I find the "right" girl I'll probably also end up causing the break up due to my own issues.

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I find this so disheartening. You had a girlfriend that loved you and you pushed her away. I'm sorry if my comments compound your problems but it tells me that even if I find the "right" girl I'll probably also end up causing the break up due to my own issues.

if you read his other posts you'll find out that he didn't push her away; he didn't push any of them away, they all left/dumped him strictly because of size.

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To me it sounds more likely that she dumped him because he read her diary. I could be wrong as I don't have any other info aside from what I've read on this topic.

i dnon't remember whether he told her about the diary or not. either way, would you stay with a woman who told you (or told someone else, or wrote it in her diary or....) that you're size is a serious problem for her?

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i dnon't remember whether he told her about the diary or not. either way, would you stay with a woman who told you (or told someone else, or wrote it in her diary or....) that you're size is a serious problem for her?

No, but I could see how my behaviour and attitude towards her could change so much that she would eventually dump me. Even if she didn't know I read her diary (for some reason I thought she knew he read her diary).

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By the way, that's another thing I really dislike about women - their willingness to share intimate bedroom details about their husbands or boyfriends to friends. I once had a woman justifying it to me by saying "men always talk about sex and women". Yes, men talk about girls they've slept with and make up things to impress their friends, but I've never once had a friend tell me any DETAILS about his wife or girlfriend while they were still married or dating. For me its unthinkable, yet, for women, it's seemingly normal.

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I find this so disheartening. You had a girlfriend that loved you and you pushed her away. I'm sorry if my comments compound your problems but it tells me that even if I find the "right" girl I'll probably also end up causing the break up due to my own issues.

No- I didnt push her away.

I didnt want her to leave me - but she did anyway.

The truth is this is a physical disability which directly effects sex and seriously undermines your sexual attractiveness,

Its a VERY difficult thing for most women to overlook.

ps I dont think she knew I read her diary- but I admit I did obsess about the size issue which did upset her- but her diary comments suggested it was the actual size which was the main issue.

pps I never confessed by size fears to my 1st 3 partners at all

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