Any success stories?

[thouroghlyunhappy]

Definitely agree with you there. I would urge you against a procedure but I wish you the best of luck and hope it gives you the results you are looking for.

Stay Safe

Yeah, thanks. I've researched this to death and finally settled on the Pmma as the results are much more promising than the others which are, in most cases, useless and/or have high rates of complications (like the Elist implant).

I figure we live once and I have nothing to lose. If something goes terribly wrong years down the road, I'll simply retire to Bhante G's monastery in the WV mountains and spend the rest of my life in meditation , lol.

Btw, have you tried to bang any Korean chicks yet? All stats show that Korean men have, on average, some of the smallest penises on earth. Try out the ladies there and let us know how that works out for ya. I mean, what ya got to lose? You won't be over there forever, right?

[Recluse]

I haven't tried any Korean chicks here yet although I have been with 3 different Korean escorts back in the states, one of whom I saw about 5 times. Some of em are pretty hot. I tend to like white girls, asians and latins. What I have heard is that Korean women don't date foreigners too often. I'll probably take a trip to Thailand or the Phillipines to do that. Too many MP's and other military folk around for me to want to risk anything around here. I'll let you all know how things go on my trips though. Good luck and stay safe.

[thouroghlyunhappy]

I haven't tried any Korean chicks here yet although I have been with 3 different Korean escorts back in the states, one of whom I saw about 5 times. Some of em are pretty hot. I tend to like white girls, asians and latins. What I have heard is that Korean women don't date foreigners too often. I'll probably take a trip to Thailand or the Phillipines to do that. Too many MP's and other military folk around for me to want to risk anything around here. I'll let you all know how things go on my trips though. Good luck and stay safe.

I was hoping that you could verify or debunk it for us, lol, but hey it's all good.

Me, I prefer white women myself but would be okay with a Korean if it meant a satisfying sex-life.

Good luck

[dvnJ22]

I so wish I could join a monastery. I some times wonder if I was meant to renounce Worldy pleasure.

[thouroghlyunhappy]

I so wish I could join a monastery.

What's stopping ya?

[dvnJ22]

I require daily medication to keep me stable. And I think I'd like to be married someday. Plus they don't have Xbox.

[thouroghlyunhappy]

I require daily medication to keep me stable. Plus they don't have Xbox.

Depending on what your diagnosis is ( i.e., if nothing too severe like schizo or bi-polar, etc.), rigourous meditation under the instruction of a good teacher can sometimes stabilize you, seriously. But of course I'm not a doc but have seen it work for others and it's helped me not kill myself thus far, lol. Though some of my posts might make me sound insane, I've attained a degree of inner-peace that I never knew until discovering and practicing meditation for awhile. Change your mind, change your brain!

I can feel you on the x-box thing though, lol.

Good luck

[dvnJ22]

At the end of pulp fiction Sam Jackson's character talks about how he is going walk the earth and let God guide him. Always wanted to do that too. Lol

[Jessie]

im a PS3 guy

Were it not for that I'm not sure what I would have done to myself--- it occurs to me I'm deadly serious actually....

[Jessie]

true

ps3 gaming has kept me from going totally insane- its a hobby I could be focussed on to take my mind off my predicament.

technology helped me there

on the other hand, technology meant I have found out lots of stuff I would rather not have known.

Originally when I heard women in real iife denigrate small penises I went hunting on line in the hope they were a minority opinion- but then of course I quickly discovered they are in the vast majority - this info didn't exactly brighten my life...

[thouroghlyunhappy]

Originally when I heard women in real iife denigrate small penises I went hunting on line in the hope they were a minority opinion- but then of course I quickly discovered they are in the vast majority - this info didn't exactly brighten my life...

Yeah, I imagine that this wouldn't be half as bad without the internet. Once upon a time we would have never had access to such conversations between women, lol.

[gone]

true

ps3 gaming has kept me from going totally insane- its a hobby I could be focussed on to take my mind off my predicament.

technology helped me there

on the other hand, technology meant I have found out lots of stuff I would rather not have known.

Originally when I heard women in real iife denigrate small penises I went hunting on line in the hope they were a minority opinion- but then of course I quickly discovered they are in the vast majority - this info didn't exactly brighten my life...

From what I understood when my wife was still having her get togethers with her lady friends they didn't "denigrate" small penises exactly. It was more like they envied and celebrated the ladies who were with the well endowed, and pitied or felt sorry for the unluckies who were married to the under hung. I dunno, I'd almost rather be scorned and despised as a man than be pitied like a pathetic wimp.

They might say "size doesn't matter" in the open where everyone can hear, but a group of women talking privately can't B.S. each other with a bunch of P.C. talk. They've experienced big, they all know better.

John

[Jessie]

I think it varies, some women only admit it privately, some admit when drunk, some shout it from the rooftops.

I don't think you could accuse Lilly Allen or Rhianna of being 'private' about their views on size- ha

Actually Lilly has been horribly denigrating- now I think of it.

The thing that gets me is articles written by women either with sneering views on smaller men (like they are criminals or something) or start by giving a glossy 'doesn't matter' opening paragraph and then with the other paragraphs make it abundantly clear that its incredibly important.

But yeah- pity is sickening. But then, so is ridicule, disgust, disappointment, which are all emotions we tend to inspire in women.

It really is such a cruel trick of mother nature.

[malign]

I think it varies, some women only admit it privately, some admit when drunk, some shout it from the rooftops.

With that list, isn't there also the possibility that some of the women don't even agree? Or are you assuming they all care about size, and then coming up with an explanation for all the experimental results based on the assumption? Remember, they proved the Earth was flat that way too. Took someone with the courage to sail off of it to change people's minds ...

[Cece.dedesl]

Peer pressure and society pressures cause a lot of people, male and female to express a like or dislike that may not be true or exaggerated in some sense.

This is especially prevalent when it comes to sex. Gay men and women hid their sexual preferences for 100's of years because society and peers deemed to be unattractive, abnormal, ect....

Some gays and lesbians were the biggest and loudest speakers against same sex relationships. Going against their personal interests to appear "normal" and in line with what society deemed acceptable.

With the media and porn industry placing such importance on penis size, our history proves that society tends to pretend to go along with what is advertised as normal, attractive, ect...

We all want to be accepted, that's the driving force behind this type of behavior. Just remember these comments being made may not always be made out an honest place. More times than not, it's just someone trying to fit in.

[Jessie]

Malign,

Well actually the peer reviewed studies repeatedly illustrate the importance of size for the vast majority of women.

However you are right- those same studies illustrate that some women, however small that minority is, do claim not to care.

I guess my own experiences make me suspicious of the minority of women that claim not to care - that they might be indulging in 'white lies' etc, but intellectually I accept the theoretical possibility that they may be genuine.

I do actually think Irma and others here are too by the way.

[Jessie]

Cece,

Im not sure that dynamic of 'fitting in' can apply to on-line female surveys.

And with the street interviews, studio interviews and transcript survey conversations females have actually described a varied opinion on the topic to an extent- but with the usual consensus that way too big or way too small were completely unacceptable.

Have you seen the "O-Tapes" or "CherryTV"- hardly oppressed women attempting to fit in.

Rather intelligent, opinionated and experienced women being brutally honest.

(Sorry- you know I want you to be right don't you?- I want that more than you do!)

[gone]

I think it varies, some women only admit it privately, some admit when drunk, some shout it from the rooftops.

I don't think you could accuse Lilly Allen or Rhianna of being 'private' about their views on size- ha

Actually Lilly has been horribly denigrating- now I think of it.

The thing that gets me is articles written by women either with sneering views on smaller men (like they are criminals or something) or start by giving a glossy 'doesn't matter' opening paragraph and then with the other paragraphs make it abundantly clear that its incredibly important.

But yeah- pity is sickening. But then, so is ridicule, disgust, disappointment, which are all emotions we tend to inspire in women.

It really is such a cruel trick of mother nature.

Yep. As I said in another, eariler post I grow incredibly weary of society talking out of both sides of it's collective mouths on this. Sometimes it's one person starting out with 'size doesn't matter' and 15 seconds later be talking about a wonderful experience with a well hung guy.

If you kick a dog all the time you'll just make him totally mean.

If you pet and praise a dog all the time you'll just make him confident and self assured.

But you kick a dog on even days and pet him on odd days he'll be so paranoid and schizophrenic he'll never trust again.

So we underhung get kicked by half and petted by half, and it's supposed to not matter. Don't know about you guys, but I have a hard time trusting anymore.

John

[Cece.dedesl]

Jesse, I think most people want to fit in. Even in surveys and discussion groups. I got roped into doing a political survey for one of the research groups here and i actually brushed up on my politics beforehand because i didn't want to appear ignorant. My answers were anonymous but I still wanted feel like I belonged in that survey.

Some women do like certain sizes but most women are more interested in the man than his penis. If you put those women in a situation where penis size is discussed, most will say what they "think" they should say versus saying what they really feel.

There's a vulnerability when discussing anything to do with sex. Most people will say whatever makes them appear normal.

[Jessie]

Well I guess its possible up to a point- although I would have thought in an anonymous survey that pressure would not exist.

Perhaps in a televised survey/documentary they might feel a peer or societal pressure...

... but then again on the documentary clips I have seen the women gushed about their size experiences and contradicted each other in lots of other sexual topics. They seemed informed and adamant about their size opinions.

I dunno... it just doesnt follow they would lie about size like that.

And John makes a great point about double speak and self contradiction. You know Em & Lo?

Well their site commentary plays down the importance of size but their survey says the opposite.

And in the UK they run a sex education show which asked women, inside and outside the show, if size mattered and they all thought it did.

In fact their resident sexual 'genuine pig', an articulate, attractive 20 something, gave an earnest and detailed explanation of why good girth was critical.

So who do I believe?

[malign]

I think the "pressure" that we all feel, even in anonymous surveys, exists because we have certain beliefs about what our response patterns should be, which don't always correlate with our actual responses in real world situations. A person's conscience is just one example; it's fairly easy to verify that we lie more often than we say we do on surveys (yes, we lie when we say we don't lie.) Anything that the individual may feel has a value attached to it is liable to be distorted by that feeling. Humans are notoriously inaccurate observers even of external events, much less their own internal states ...

Jess, you already believe yourself, your own opinion. And, probably, it's the only one that really matters ...

[Jessie]

I suppose its possible but one could use that very same argument of 'mass lying' to ignore that minority of women who say 'size doesnt matter' (because there is some social pressure to 'white lie' on the issue.)

Could one perhaps suggest you are trying to find ways to explain away evidence that doesn't match your hypothesis?

Me, Im just going with the evidence presented to me...

As to my opinion, I didnt used to really have one, I mean- when I used to have sex, it was in the back of mind I would have enjoyed it more with more depth, better friction etc but it wasn't a big deal too much- I still enjoyed sex and had read in my school book that size wasnt important to women.

And then my 1st girlfriend left me- and then my next 3 girlfriends did (2 explicitly due to size), and then a 5th possible girlfriend left me, almost certainly due to size.

So my opinion has morphed into the opinions of the women in my life, whether I like it or not.

Im an intelligent guy, so I'm not gonna accept BS, I need convincing arguments and sincerity.

Because otherwise all I have is a house of cards and I will end up as before or worse.

[malign]

It's possible to use the same argument for any kind of external evidence you might try to collect. That's my point: we're back to belief.

I can see how you might have arrived at your belief; I just don't share it.

[Jessie]

i wish I shared your belief..... heaven knows I would gladly go back in time.

Cece has been a major salve for me. To hear a female say she doesnt mind too much is remarkably powerful to me.

all I can hope for- is that I meet someone like her- and if I dont its still nice to know someone like that exists.

Im sure I speak for loads of guys here....

[thouroghlyunhappy]

I think that most of the women whom say "size doesn't matter" are referring to normal sized penises. Saying "size doesn't matter" in reference to a 6" penis with normal girth compared to 8"-9" monsters doesn't neccessarily include those of us whom are hung like children.

Many women havn't encountered penises our size--and most of those whom have quickly realized, in most cases, that size does matter, lol. Sad but true, it is what it is.