Resolute Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 my condolences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrmaJean Posted February 23, 2016 Report Share Posted February 23, 2016 Every human being has vulnerability whether they are men or women. It is a part of our humanity. Those who show their vulnerability within a relationship in a safe space may be equally strong and reliable, perhaps even more so than others. It's a common mistake, I think, to associate our vulnerability with weakness. Ever read Brene Brown? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 beth, do you honestly believe that there is such a thing as a "safe space"? what guarantees that it remains a so called safe space? you might say that there are no guarantees, which would raise the question " then why the hell risk it?". how safe should someone feel being vulnerable with another person knowing that it could very well come back to bite him/her in the ass? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrmaJean Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Yes, I do. I know such spaces may be rare. Taking risk is frightening and I think it makes sense to be mindful of who we share ourselves with, but I don't think we can have what we so often seek without risk. Why risk it? My opinion? Because there is potential joy to be shared with another person, because we need to reach for what we want in life, because we are here in this life right now and might as well make the most of it... This is an area where perhaps the therapy relationship can help a person practice with intimacy and learn to build trust with another. I know I have written about vulnerability in my blogs at some point. Maybe I can post the link to Brene Brown's TED talk again too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrmaJean Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 4 hours ago, VictimofBullyingNo1cared said: I totally believe what you are saying IrmaJean and I wish with all my heart I could say that was my experience too but that would be untrue and if we are not going to be truthful then what is the point of being here? For my job I take calls from all over the country and the girls in the South (NC, SC) seem like genuinely nice people. Florida is just New York by the ocean. What I am getting at is maybe there are some regional differences. I hear you. You are speaking from your experiences and I am sharing my personal feelings. Truth is a place to understand and learn, I think. Take care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 i apologize in advance for my somewhat harsh and negative post. after a decade of research, brown concluded that vulnerability is the key to happiness. my research suggests that the absence of dignity/pride/self-respect can also lead to happiness. advocates of such philosophies emphasize the rewards (which are hardly ever achieved) while downplaying the massive potential for permanent damage and excruciating pain. no offence, but it's like advising people to go to vegas to gamble in some of the most renowned casinos, because there's a chance they might win a few grands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrmaJean Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Did you watch the video that I linked in the Recommended forum? It's about finding the courage to be our authentic selves. I found an excerpt that I will link in Recommended as well. I don't want to take over the thread here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victimorthecrime Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Whoa that last sentence is intense Klingsor. How are things w you lately? Any updates? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 On Tuesday, February 23, 2016 at 4:28 AM, Klingsor said: The world would be a much happier, more harmonious, and more fun place if all the uglies, idiots, incompetents, and plain old mediocre were bred out of the gene pool like a disease. 23 hours ago, 51 Years of Misery said: Bred out he said, not slaughtered all at once. how many people do you think exist in the world who are good looking, competent, non mediocre, smart, healthy (and for men we add strong and hung)? practically no one would be left if we eliminated all of the above characteristics. and breading them out would take millennia. unless this was done by intentional gene selection, it's not very practical because you can't control which of your, your ancestors', your wife's, her ancestors' genes would be passed on to your offspring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 48 minutes ago, Klingsor said: The sad thing about legalized euthanasia is that it in every location where it's available, mental duress or illness isn't an acceptable condition for physician assisted suicide. Only physical, terminal illnesses qualify. It's just another manifestation of the tyranny of compassion, where life is preferable to death in every instance, completely divorced from any consideration of quality of life. i haven't researched this, but i recall that the netherlands allows euthanising the depressed. which is why i mentioned it specifically. otherwise there are a number of countries around the world that have legalized euthanasia in some form, including some u.s. states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Small Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 Yeah it's weird that euthanasia isn't more widely available. I say if someone wants to die they should be given legal medical assistance with it. 51 Years of Misery 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 4 minutes ago, Small said: I say if someone wants to die they should be given legal medical assistance with it. my thoughts exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51 Years of Misery Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 15 hours ago, Resolute said: how many people do you think exist in the world who are good looking, competent, non mediocre, smart, healthy (and for men we add strong and hung)? practically no one would be left if we eliminated all of the above characteristics. and breading them out would take millennia. unless this was done by intentional gene selection, it's not very practical because you can't control which of your, your ancestors', your wife's, her ancestors' genes would be passed on to your offspring. You deselect one undesirable aspect/Gene at time. Easy. it would take less than a hundred Years. Easy peasy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victimorthecrime Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 In any population there are only so many women of child bearing years and the reproductive choices of those women determines who exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted February 24, 2016 Report Share Posted February 24, 2016 i don't think there's a shortage of women of child bearing years in any population. women generally have nearly 40 years of child bearing years, so i think such women are pretty abundant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 you got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrmaJean Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Klingsor, has anything specific happened recently that has caused you distress? Are you getting adequate rest? I know for me everything feels worse when I am exhausted. I'm sorry you're struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IrmaJean Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 Okay. Would journaling about it possibly help? I hope you feel better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 55 minutes ago, IrmaJean said: hope you feel better. i second that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
51 Years of Misery Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 In Ancient Athens people could apply for suicide to the authorities. If the person still wanted commit suicide after a certain length of time the Authorities would comply and supply the person with a poison. Resolute 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 29 minutes ago, 51 Years of Misery said: In Ancient Athens people could apply for suicide to the authorities. If the person still wanted commit suicide after a certain length of time the Authorities would comply and supply the person with a poison. now, that's what i'm talking about! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resolute Posted February 25, 2016 Report Share Posted February 25, 2016 this shows that depression and suicidal ideation are by no means new phenomena. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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