John Rutledge Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) deleted...... Edited October 28, 2009 by John Rutledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malign Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 It's a really hard question, what to do about such posts. In particular, the word "porn" is legitimately used here fairly often. And we know how people reacted to the old "600-second" delay between private messages. And there's a limit to how many admins you want on a site."User-friendly" is a three-edged sword. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Rutledge Posted February 20, 2009 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 (edited) deleted...... Edited October 28, 2009 by John Rutledge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Clearly we need to react to this sort of thing, because we cannot have people posting pornographic images here. So I will be adjusting rights for posting to reflect the new threat. That said, it would be nice to see if we can have two tiers of users - new users with fewer privilages, and "trusted" users who have more. I will look into it. The other thing to do is to remove this stuff ASAP - and to do that most efficiently, I need more moderators. It is always a balance between openness and abuse. If you stay open where people can create posts without waiting for a moderator to publish them (as we are currently configured), this sort of thing will happen from time to time. It's like an immune system - some viruses get in. I don't like the idea of a walled garden so much (where people cannot respond to material spontaineously) but we may have to move more in that direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malign Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 The tiered approach makes some sense, because spammers are not likely to hang around waiting. But it seems to me that brand-new users are going to need the right not only to post, but also to start a new thread, for a similar reason. I think many people who join have made a sudden decision to ask for help, and may not be able to sustain that very long without support.So, one possibility for limiting new users, without unduly discouraging them, might be to enforce a one post per login limit, or to have a time delay between posts, only for the first two or three logins. And of course, it depends on what options the software gives you ...As John suggests, another idea would be to disable the tag. As far as I'm concerned, I could live without it completely. But then, I'm more verbal than visual, as you can probably tell. :-) (Yet I'm addicted to smileys, because otherwise I sound like a pompous a--. I think.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finding my way Posted February 20, 2009 Report Share Posted February 20, 2009 Thanks guys:). Speaking ONLY for myself, I appreciate that the men of this site stepped up to the plate on this, and the women didn't have to say a thing. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscat Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Well I am going to say something ! It was actually the first time I've seen that on here , last night:eek: Gosh that pissed me off... About 5 of them from the same person, who was the newest member on here. Shoot, to me it was a gross violation to do it. The poster had acsess to ALL of our very personal issues and then used this site to invade us with porn . Something needs to be done not to allow this sort of thing to happen. It was not apreciated one bit. I am no prude either, just disgusted that he would do that on many of our serious threads. Totally uncalled for. to me , it was an intrusion and he to take advantage of this site:( i am certain that this person was A young man who thought it was funny. NOT. I hope their will be more protection from these people who have nothing else better to do then to stir things up . I am certain that Mark or Allen will take the steps necessary that this sort of thing won't happen again. It felt like a huge slap in the face. :mad: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paula Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 Sorry guy's. Usually I see stuff liken spam posted on here and send Allan a message telling him, but I wasn't on most of the night last night, as I had an emergency to attend to and when I arrived home at 03.15am this morning, I had a quick glance on, but didn't notice anything. Which could of been put down to me being tired, sorry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 The issue here gets to how the community is run - it's a philosophical issue. Communities can be run in the open or they can be closed. For instance, mentalearth.com runs a closed community. No one who is not a member (who is not referred) can see the content or post content. But the downside of this method of running things is that a high barrier is set up for legitimate outsiders to become members. You have to go through a lot of hoops before you can benefit, and for many people who don't want to post, it makes it so that they cannot benefit (because they only want to read and not make a committment. I view this as very legitimate - some people only want to read and can benefit from watching other people talk about their issues, other people want to talk about their issues. I want to keep mental help net community an open community. The price of this openness is that we will from time to time have this sort of thing happen, and that some people will feel that the community is less safe becuase of it. I'm thinking right now that we can solve most of this sort of thing by simply turning off the ability for anyone to post images within the forums. We can also gain a great deal of control (but not perfect control) by having more people who frequent here have the power to delete garbage that doesn't belong here. It all comes with tradeoffs. I will disable images for now and we can talk about what to do. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proverbs31:28 Posted February 21, 2009 Report Share Posted February 21, 2009 On a parenting board I am on, we had a problem with people posting links to competitive sites or to business, both of which were in violation of our TOS. Our admins came up with a policy similar to what you described earlier, Allan. In order to post a link or image, the member has to have 20 posts. New members also do not have access to PMs until they have 20 posts. I think we discussed this once before and you said there was no way to limit PMs on the basis of post count but I wonder if links and images can be limited in this manner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paula Posted February 22, 2009 Report Share Posted February 22, 2009 I'm thinking right now that we can solve most of this sort of thing by simply turning off the ability for anyone to post images within the forums.With you turning off the images, it will mean that we have lost our Albums on our profile pg, doesnt it? "Thank you!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Paula, I'm not sure about that (albums lost) - please check them now to find out. I have turned off images for the moment, but don't like that idea terribly much and if we can come up with a better scheme, we'll go with that one. I don't see any easy way to put into place the "starter member" status within vBulletin. permissions like posting images are set on a forum basis, not a user basis, so even though I can create new classes of membership, I don't seem to be able to use those classes to create a segmented permission scheme as has been suggested. Paula - your son is really up on this software, so can I ask you please to ask him whether he knows a way to make this happen (e.g., create a class of users who can post images and a class who cannot?).I need to do more research on this, and unfortunately, I have a sore throat and am not feeling all that good. I may need to sleep today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paula Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Hi, have you looked into the users posting these images? Are you sure they are actual users and not automated service bots? This is Brad, Paula's son and i have had problems in the past with similar issues and it turned out to be "bots". If you can identify this to be the problem then the way i solved this is to setup a required email confirmation on new user registrations. Then of course u must still find and delete these bots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paula Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 MarkUnfortunately, I posted the last message before reading it all. My son has come up with an explanation. Also, he is going to look further into this for you. He has asked that if you could please bear with him & he will research further for you and get back to you. Possibly tonight!He has found a way & he will get back to you with the solution after he has eaten, OK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paula Posted February 23, 2009 Report Share Posted February 23, 2009 Oh, and by the way, Sorry to hear of your sore throat, I had it a week and a half ago. Turned out to be Strep! I really pity you if its that, as I went through a pretty rough time with it & wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy! Not saying that you are my worst enemy or anything! But I hope it clears up and you feel better soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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