Never getting married

[someone555]

It could, think if it this way. A 5 inch guy who's had no complaints from women but starts reading articles on the internet that he's small, could affect him in a negative way. He might start to think that all the women he's had sex with have secretly thought he was small. Now if it can work in a negative way, it could also have a positive affect, though it's more likely with penis size, the majority of men have a glass half empty kind of belief system.

that is exactly what happened to me. i aways knew i was smaller than average. none of my girlfriends or sexual encounters ever said i was small, nor did they complain about the sex, but i blame tv and internet and porn. now i assume most had all wished i was bigger and/or didnt enjoy it as much

[someone555]

I'm 5"9.5 inches tall which is a fraction off average. I'm comfortable in accepting that my height isnt an issue despite being called short on several occasions. Why is it then, the same psyche becomes troubled when I'm told I have a smaller than average penis?

This is where numbers can no longer explain the human psyche. It's complicated and very deep rooted. Perhaps this is what you have been overlooking?

height doesnt help you with sexual ability, which penis size does. and remember, on this forum, sexual ability=100% of your lifes worth and value as a man and partner. so in this regard, height is not important

I'm 6'4", i call everyone short. however being this tall (and about 185 pounds), my small penis looks even smaller

[someone555]

Well, I don't know what your personal stats are, Small.

I understand that being too small - literally so - is a very real problem. But what is a genuine mystery is how, for example, the 5-inch guy beats himself up over 0.6 inches, or whatever.

But yeah, I agree that the human psyche is deep and complicated - it's something that I do try not to overlook.

5.6 is almost 6 inches so that would feel better. for a guy with 5 inches, that isnt close to 5.6. to me, 5 inches (or say even 4.99) is "only" an inch off of 4 inches, which is "only" an inch off of a micro penis. therefore, 5 inches equals a micro penis. that is what goes through my mind all the time. if i was 5.6x5.3 NBP i would be the happiest guy on the planet

[someone555]

5.6" is closer to 5.5" than it is to 6". If differences of less than an inch were so significant (and I don't personally believe that they are) then we shouldn't inflate 0,5 to 1.0.

Statistically most of the variation is found within plus or minus about 0.8 or 0.9 inches of average, I believe.

im not talking statistics, im talking of my own mental way i view my size in numbers

[retsuud]

5.6" is closer to 5.5" than it is to 6". If differences of less than an inch were so significant (and I don't personally believe that they are) then we shouldn't inflate 0,5 to 1.0.

Statistically most of the variation is found within plus or minus about 0.8 or 0.9 inches of average, I believe.

As I'm not from US of A, I always have to recalculate what precise numbers you are talking about. Now I know that 1inch is about 2.5cm, so that would make 0.50inch about 1.25cm. I have to say that, well, that would make quite the difference!!

[retsuud]

An SPS victim would certainly argue over mm's - never mind about cm's...

In my opinion, though, girth is what most immediately differentiates penis A from penis B.

Differences of 0.x inches or 1.y cm's in shaft length are almost irrelevant because there might be more or less penetration depending on things like position, belly size of one (or both) partners, etc.

In any case, 1.25cm...well really....is it honestly enough to change a person's whole life?

You know nothing RogerJ. I don't even know where to start listing what only 1.25cm would do for me.

[IrmaJean]

Maybe it is best to approach each individual as an individual and try to help according to that person's needs? I really like to believe we can help support one another here and all get along despite having had some differences in the past.

As for me "choosing" not to be provoked, I honestly have to say I am unwilling to do that. I have been bullied, poked, prodded, belittled, humiliated, teased, and run down all my life, and I used to ignore it. No more. It is a double standard for people to supposedly have the RIGHT to "stand up" for justice and the enforcement of mob rule in the form of "righteous anger" while there is no outlet, no indulgence of the anger of the man who has been defecated on his whole life by that same mob for absolutely no reason other than being different. I assert myself for this man and everyone like him for whom life is nothing but a waking, undeserved Hell from which there's no escape but anger and death (maybe).

So the idea that I am simply going to "choose" in the face of deliberate provocation not to be provoked is an empty one.

I think the idea behind choosing not to be provoked is to feel accepting of yourself as you are and to not allow others' words to have such power over you. Those who attempt to provoke want to see you provoked, they get something out of your response and may even feel some kind of power from this. If at all possible, don't give them that kind of power over you. You are okay as you are. Usually if someone says something to me that hurts me deeply, it's because I already have felt that way about myself in the first place. Others may sense that vulnerability and go right after it. Cruel for sure and not easy to overlook, but as I work more on myself, that kind of cruely hurts less because I know it isn't true. This is just another way of looking at this and I respect what you're saying here, Klingsor.

I do hope everyone decides to stay.

[Resolute]

BTW Are you talking about length or girth? (I'd agree that 1.25cm of extra girth would be significant.)

he's definitely talking about length.

[Resolute]

i think you misunderstood her roger. she was just giving general guidance to everyone about not allowing others to push their buttons. i might not completely agree with everything she said, but some of it is still good advice; same with malign's.

[IrmaJean]

I was not referring to anything that has happened here at the forum, Roger J, but more as in general type of thing.

I understand there have been mistakes made along the way by some members and I am not singling anyone out with this (also my life has been crazy lately and I may not have seen every post). I do hope we can start anew with a clean slate for everyone.

Edited October 15, 2014 by IrmaJean
adding to clarify

[Jessie]

Trust me on this, Jessie, there are known cases of guys who are precisely in this range, but who are so desperate about their supposed inadequacy that they literally pay thousands for (unnecessary and dangerous) enlargement surgery!

If a 6.5x5.5 guy with an insecure personality is told by some daft woman that he isn't big enough that may actually screw his life!

On the other hand, there are plenty of guys out there in 5x5 territory (myself included) who have never been told that we aren't big enough.

So whose experience is more valid??

I would NOT expect someone with 5 x 5 to have continuous rejection as this is, critically, of average girth.

If you had 4.5 girth or worse still 4 girth you would have had different experiences I suspect.

Its possible you may have had issues at 4.75 as this is the bottom end of average

ps a 6.5x5.5 guy may indeed have SPS triggered by a demanding woman or watching porn I agree but it can be cured through appraising the data and future successful sexual experiences.

pps clearly such a solution wouldn't work with me- the data is bad news for me and all future sexual experiences, if I have any, will be seriously compromised. i.e. I have to endure the initial shock/reaction, the ensuing difficult conversations, the compromised sex and the very high likelihood of rejection.

[Jessie]

5.6 is almost 6 inches so that would feel better. for a guy with 5 inches, that isnt close to 5.6. to me, 5 inches (or say even 4.99) is "only" an inch off of 4 inches, which is "only" an inch off of a micro penis. therefore, 5 inches equals a micro penis. that is what goes through my mind all the time. if i was 5.6x5.3 NBP i would be the happiest guy on the planet

as would I!

[Resolute]

I would NOT expect someone with 5 x 5 to have continuous rejection as this is, critically, of average girth.

If you had 4.5 girth or worse still 4 girth you would have had different experiences I suspect.

Its possible you may have had issues at 4.75 as this is the bottom end of average

ps a 6.5x5.5 guy may indeed have SPS triggered by a demanding woman or watching porn I agree but it can be cured through appraising the data and future successful sexual experiences.

pps clearly such a solution wouldn't work with me- the data is bad news for me and all future sexual experiences, if I have any, will be seriously compromised. i.e. I have to endure the initial shock/reaction, the ensuing difficult conversations, the compromised sex and the very high likelihood of rejection.

jessie, you keep forgetting to not generalize. these things might apply to some countries/cities/regions, they don't apply universally, as i know you (at least somewhat) agree.

in other words, many women, in many parts of the world, would not be that shocked or that disappointed with your size or above.

[Resolute]

@IrmaJean

Okay, understood.

@Jessie

I think we could agree that girth is important. One of the things that really fascinates me is how guys nearly always focus on length, length and more length! Even at this forum (where we of all people should no better) the conversation is more often than not about length.

I honestly don't get this thing about 1.25cm making all the difference - at least as far as 99.9% of guys are concerned. Of course, if someone were right down the scale, right on the lower borderline of clinical normality, then I can see it could become significant. But otherwise, I really don't see how it is going to be important. I severely doubt whether a blindfolded woman would even tell the difference between 14cm and 15.25cm during sex, if girth were exactly equal in both cases.

blindfold her eyes or her pussy?

[retsuud]

I honestly don't get this thing about 1.25cm making all the difference - at least as far as 99.9% of guys are concerned. Of course, if someone were right down the scale, right on the lower borderline of clinical normality, then I can see it could become significant. But otherwise, I really don't see how it is going to be important. I severely doubt whether a blindfolded woman would even tell the difference between 14cm and 15.25cm during sex, if girth were exactly equal in both cases.

Ok, you are right. You already made my point here, so no need for me to tell my opinion. The difference doesn't seem that big indeed when you talk about such numbers.

[Jessie]

@IrmaJean

Okay, understood.

@Jessie

I think we could agree that girth is important. One of the things that really fascinates me is how guys nearly always focus on length, length and more length! Even at this forum (where we of all people should no better) the conversation is more often than not about length.

I honestly don't get this thing about 1.25cm making all the difference - at least as far as 99.9% of guys are concerned. Of course, if someone were right down the scale, right on the lower borderline of clinical normality, then I can see it could become significant. But otherwise, I really don't see how it is going to be important. I severely doubt whether a blindfolded woman would even tell the difference between 14cm and 15.25cm during sex, if girth were exactly equal in both cases.

Well some studies show some women put a priority on length so it would matter for some- and guys would like the extra length for more satisfying penetration- I would love an extra 3 inches- it would make sex, inc masturbation, so much more enjoyable.

But in general, for most women, the most critical factor is girth… the studies consistently show this and is also explained by the clitiral doubled bulbed structure.

[Jessie]

jessie, you keep forgetting to not generalize. these things might apply to some countries/cities/regions, they don't apply universally, as i know you (at least somewhat) agree.

in other words, many women, in many parts of the world, would not be that shocked or that disappointed with your size or above.

I do agree that Im talking in general- there is hopefully a small subset of women that either dont care about sex or dont care about penetration or are able to make significant compromises.

I also hope that you are right about other countries and is why Im planning to move abroad….!

[Resolute]

Well some studies show some women put a priority on length so it would matter for some- and guys would like the extra length for more satisfying penetration- I would love an extra 3 inches- it would make sex, inc masturbation, so much more enjoyable.

But in general, for most women, the most critical factor is girth… the studies consistently show this and is also explained by the clitiral doubled bulbed structure.

ah, "double bubble" pussies; so delicious, and chewy. you sure know how to say it jessie.

[Guest Klingsor]

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[Resolute]

I'm the exact same height as you " Small " and it's never bothered me because most of the people I know are a similar height or a bit smaller and none of them have had any problem with their share of attracting women. Saying that, I suppose if I had to choose my ideal height I would like to be about 6' 2''.

the ideal height of a man, for women, is between 6' and 6'2" based on some of my research. that's 182cm to 188cm.

[nytaiji]

Malign, most people don't pick up on that name cause of the way I spelled it. How long have you been practicing?

I do agree that convincing guys that they're small when they really aren't is something we want to avoid here. However, I'd be willing to bet my right arm that most of the guys here on the SPS forum have already done plenty of Googling before getting here. Point being, the thought of being small is already a reality before entering this forum. That's what brings people here. I'm aware that it could get worse if they read the wrong things on here. But it still comes down to what women think. That's really what this is all about. It's not about what other guys have if the women in your life are telling you you're small. I think to automatically tell someone that it's in their head, and then get defensive and angry when his point is challenged, is childish. And it wreaks of someone who has an agenda here. What good does it do to protect the people that MIGHT come to this forum by driving away the ones that are actually here?

[Resolute]

That's actually my ideal height too. Between 6ft and 6ft 2. My height issue here actually mirrors much of what you say. It's not so much to attract women, but about being comfortable in my own skin.

I do wish I was taller and it is on my mind from time to time. I usually find that taller men have a "presence" to them, and they don't have to try as hard to be accepted in relationships and other social settings.

yes, height is one of the things that gives a man more presence.

That sounds about right to me. Women prefer men to be an x amount taller than them too, right? I don't remember the figure, maybe 6 inches or so?

i don't remember exactly either, but i think it's 4" or 6" and up.

Maybe, but really like I said, I know a fair few men smaller then me and they've always been extroverted and done well in social situations. At 5' 9'' we really have nothing to worry about in terms of being thought of as small. There may be some women who will reject a man at our height, but then there are some who'll reject a man if he's not muscular or has a big nose. For me being honest, a taller man is less likely to get hassle from other men. A guy who's 6'6'' is less likely to have to worry about being jumped on strolling through town on a Friday night which is the reason I'd like to be taller.

a very valid point.

[someone555]

Actually at my height of 6'4 I'm actually quite self conscious about it. Id much rather be 5'11-6'2

[gone]

Yeah I agree here. I used to live in a violent neighbourhood growing up and I was always anxious of getting attacked/robbed. I actually took up boxing and muay thai for three years in total, and sparred on a weekly basis.

I hate violence, and the sickening taste of sweaty leather when punched in the face. If I was taller and looked "intimidating" that would have saved me getting my ass kicked every week by semi/professionals who enjoyed it!

Bro! Not only do we share the exact same penis measurements, we share this too! I boxed for 4 years in the P.A.L. I sparred in a gym in Louisville in exchange for boxing lessons for a number of years. The manager (a large black guy) liked me because while I don't have the longest arms, I was 'burley' enough to spar with some of those long armed, tall lanky young black fellers that were training there.

I also ran track and wrestled while in jr high and high school.

[nytaiji]

RogerJ, you first have to get them to open up to you and not be on the defensive. I can assure you that if you dismiss what they are telling you about their life experiences, and you respond by either stating or implying that it's all in their head, then you're not gonna get someone who's very receptive to you.

And, yes Roger, you hit the nail on the head. This is a forum for mutual encouragement for suicide candidates. What is it with you an your condescending remarks? Does it make you feel better to talk down to people?